From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 8 13:20:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72BBB37B405 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.reppep.com (www.reppep.com [64.81.19.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6A743E31 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:20:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pepper@reppep.com) Received: from [129.85.219.160] (salt.rockefeller.edu [129.85.219.160]) by mail.reppep.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BECC17C0A; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: pepper@mail.reppep.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020708200642.GG1126@fonix.adamsfamily.xx> References: <200207030020.g630K4GZ037338@freefall.freebsd.org> <20020708183507.GE1126@fonix.adamsfamily.xx> <20020708200642.GG1126@fonix.adamsfamily.xx> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:19:04 -0400 To: Szilveszter Adam From: Chris Pepper Subject: Re: docs/39824: Various tweaks for doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig/chapter.sgml; corresponding comment clarification for GENERIC Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:06 PM +0200 2002/07/08, Szilveszter Adam wrote: >On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 03:00:59PM -0400, Chris Pepper wrote: >> Yep, that's you. I looked in there, added USB modules, and >> made my system un-bootable for a while, so I'm not ready to take on >> an explanation of how to load modules. > >I'm sorry to hear that you experienced problems. However, that's how it >is supposed to work in theory, but in practice not everything may have >been groovy. I'll send email to -questions as soon as I nail down a few details for the problem description. I'm glad I understood the theory, at least. > > Does the ipfw stuff in /etc/defaults/rc.conf depend on >> manually adding ipfw to /boot/loader.conf to work? I've been looking >> for info on loading modules, but it's pretty sparse. > >AFAIK, ipfw can be made to work in this way too. Some modules even >should be able to load themselves on-demand before they are first >needed, but I do not know what are these. (One tip: do not expect this >method to work with the msdosfs module and a floppy) That's a biggie -- all the IPFW docs (man page & handbook) says a kernel rebuild is required; neither source, nor /etc/defaults/rc.conf (which provides a bunch of switches to activate and configure IPFW) provides any information on enabling the firewall without a kernel rebuild, which I'm told is the *right* way to do it. Still searching.... >Unfortunately, on -CURRENT it is not advisable to have modules (it >crashes enough as is) so I have everything compiled into the kernel. And >my machine is slow, so compiling new kernels to test this would take a >long time... however, this may be a good project for someone with a >gigahertz machine, I am told kernel builds really take no time on >those:-))) About 45min on a Celeron 1.1GHz w/ 384mb, but I'm trying to test the assertion that I shouldn't need to rebuild the kernel. I've switched back to GENERIC, and hope that makes bug/crash reporting easier. My current problem is an impressive lack of documentation for loading modules. Chris Pepper -- Chris Pepper: Rockefeller University: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message