From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 6 08:25:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7E0106564A for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 08:25:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6198FC0C for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 08:25:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-7-176.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.7.176]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0744B3CD94; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 09:25:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id o268Pfhs002891; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 09:25:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 09:25:41 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Sabine Baer Message-Id: <20100306092541.1b0c279b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20100306080358.GE9762@amd.catfish.ddns.org> References: <20100305120021.52F79106566B@hub.freebsd.org> <20100306044916.ce02523e.freebsd@edvax.de> <20100306080358.GE9762@amd.catfish.ddns.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Flash viewer for FBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 08:25:44 -0000 On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 09:03:58 +0100, Sabine Baer wrote: > Well, it is, indeed. Me I am very glad beeing able to do eg > linux-opera -display :0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhmf4l4OxNw > since I live in a Windows free zone at home. Well, there's always "youtube-dl -a" for that. Just for YT I don't need "Flash". The "need", to illustrate that, is often nothing more than a useless barrier built by people who don't seem to know better. As I said before, most things that "Flash" can do could be achieved with standardized (!) and free means. And often, "Flash" is (ab)used to do idiotic things like simply providing animated buttons. > It might be a stupid example and not at all the aim of all those > noble guys working on FreeBSD but, again, I am very glad they did. I am too, and I'd like to emphasize this. Without the work done to make "Flash" availabe on FreeBSD, I would never know how annoying it can be. If a "web designer" abuses (!) "Flash" to raise a barrier, to make content unavailable, then I am surely not his target audience. That's his decision, and I accept it. (By the way, "barrier-free web" and thinking about how disabled people can participate on informations is something that needs an educated point of view and some intelligence to consider it. Still, there are "web developers" who can't provide this, and so can't their work.) > It might be a kind of 'Splendid Isolation' refusing things the rest of > the world uses and it has its very merits but sometimes it's not bad > to be part of the rest of the world. Erm, I don't consider "rest of the world" to be a reason for my decisions; in fact, they are of technical and usage nature. Just because everyone else jumps out of the window doesn't create a need for me to jump out of the window myself. :-) Honestly: If "Flash" would be something standardized, freely available and acceptably performant, in best case coming integrated with the browser (including an option to switch it off) - just like images are processed by Opera - then I wouldn't do what I do now: I just ignore it. With the upcoming HTML 5 standard, there's even a chance that "Flash" will be ignored by the rest of the world sooner or later. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...