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Date:      Thu, 4 Jun 2020 06:46:02 -0700 (PDT)
From:      "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
To:        Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
Cc:        "Rodney W. Grimes" <rgrimes@freebsd.org>, Pedro Giffuni <pfg@freebsd.org>,  Oleksandr Tymoshenko <gonzo@freebsd.org>, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, svn-src-all <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>, svn-src-head <svn-src-head@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r361775 - in head/sys: dts/arm64/overlays modules/dtb/rpi
Message-ID:  <202006041346.054Dk2KE026273@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfr0d%2BrvoXMmiP_i-pBz=Y0u5AnvkNO7ZkMCqPSDdmwm2A@mail.gmail.com>

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> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 7:27 AM Rodney W. Grimes <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 7:04 AM Rodney W. Grimes <
> > freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 8:10 PM Pedro Giffuni <pfg@freebsd.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 03/06/2020 19:59, Oleksandr Tymoshenko wrote:
> > > > > > > Rodney W. Grimes (freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) wrote:
> > > > > > >> [ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ]
> > > > > > >>> Author: gonzo
> > > > > > >>> Date: Wed Jun  3 22:18:15 2020
> > > > > > >>> New Revision: 361775
> > > > > > >>> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/361775
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Log:
> > > > > > >>>    Add spigen overlay for Raspberry Pi 4
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>    Submitted by:    gergely.czuczy@harmless.hu
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Added:
> > > > > > >>>    head/sys/dts/arm64/overlays/spigen-rpi4.dtso   (contents,
> > props
> > > > > > changed)
> > > > > > >>> Modified:
> > > > > > >>>    head/sys/modules/dtb/rpi/Makefile
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Added: head/sys/dts/arm64/overlays/spigen-rpi4.dtso
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > ==============================================================================
> > > > > > >>> --- /dev/null       00:00:00 1970   (empty, because file is
> > newly
> > > > > > added)
> > > > > > >>> +++ head/sys/dts/arm64/overlays/spigen-rpi4.dtso    Wed Jun  3
> > > > > > 22:18:15 2020        (r361775)
> > > > > > >>> @@ -0,0 +1,30 @@
> > > > > > >>> +/* $FreeBSD$ */
> > > > > > >> This file needs some form of copyright/license.
> > > > > > > Whom should I put as a copyright folder, The FreeBSD Project or
> > the
> > > > > > > person who submitted the patch?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The person that submitted the patch.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If it can be copyrighted.
> > > > >
> > > > > Note that the FreeBSD Project is not an entity and cannot hold
> > > > > > copyrights
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > True, but the FreeBSD Project can be the name in the copyright line.
> > It
> > > > is
> > > > > the eponymous author of the FreeBSD collection.
> > > >
> > > > Thats a very slippery slope, though US copyright law allows pseudonyms
> > > > as the copyright holder, I know of nothing that allows eponymous names.
> > > > And I do not believe pseudonyms are support in other jurisdiction.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl101.pdf
> > >
> > >
> > > It is not. Legally, there's no real difference from a pseudonym and an
> > > eponymous name. How could there be?
> >
> > Based on what?   eponymous appears no place in the copyright law, so
> > I shall strongly disagree with you on that point.
> >
> 
> An eponym is a type of pseudonym. It's not a nickname, nor an abbreviated
> form of a company.

And the usage "The FreeBSD Project" does not meet the definition of
either:

eponym
  A person after whom a discovery, invention, place, etc., is named or thought to be named.

pseudonym
  A fictitious name, especially one used by an author.

My keypoint is "A/AN PERSON".   

> > I should have added that the project decided, years ago, to only use it
> > for
> > > the collection copyright holder in the /COPYRIGHT file. All other files
> >
> > It appears as if it is used many other places, as my find/grep showed.
> >
> 
> Yes. And apart from the 3 files I identified, the others should be fixed. I
> did this the last time we did a sweep maybe in the late 90s / early 2000s
> based on advice from an IP attorney who specialized in open source. For
> various reasons, it's fine in the collection copyright context, but we
> don't want to have it anywhere else if we can help it.

I find it very hard to believe that using anything in 3 copyrights is
somehow valid if it can not be used in all copyrights.  That,  again,
is just a slippery slope.

Further, let me speculate, more "Free" advice?  Free legal advice is
worth exactly what you paid for it, nothing.  Especially if you do not
have the advice in writting.

> Warner
> 
> 
> > > require an actual copyright holder at the time of submission. The project
> > > generally doesn't track successors in interest, though there are
> > exceptions
> > > when the copyright holder themselves make the change.
> > >
> > > Warner
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > (The Foundation can but unless they sponsored it, that
> > > > > > usually involves paperwork).
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yup.
> > > > >
> > > > > Warner
> > > > >
> > > > > > Pedro.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Rod Grimes
> > > > rgrimes@freebsd.org
> > > >
> >
> > --
> > Rod Grimes
> > rgrimes@freebsd.org
> >

-- 
Rod Grimes                                                 rgrimes@freebsd.org



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