From owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 12 15:17:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D0ED106564A for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:17:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from westr@connection.ca) Received: from nc-tor-mail2.connection.ca (nc-tor-mail2.connection.ca [205.207.122.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5430F8FC0C for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from westrspeedy (external.tor.connection.ca [216.234.38.18]) by nc-tor-mail2.connection.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9290274E55A for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:02:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ross West" To: References: <20110706201509.GA5559@michelle.cdnetworks.com> <20110707174233.GB8702@michelle.cdnetworks.com> <5D267A3F22FD854F8F48B3D2B523819385C32D96B7@IRVEXCHCCR01.corp.ad.broadcom.com> <5D267A3F22FD854F8F48B3D2B523819385F12FE86B@IRVEXCHCCR01.corp.ad.broadcom.com> <4E1BDD3F.4090607@FreeBSD.org> <4E1BE127.9060200@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4E1BE127.9060200@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:02:18 -0400 Organization: Network Connection Message-ID: <000b01cc40a4$b17300a0$145901e0$@connection.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQDjKMUNQ89AZue+Aaeiuq9+R+IBHwGyC11LAe6TTTkCAha1FQIoEth9Anmp/xMBEWPh0gKZjoSPAVt9qHYBiTfMRgDSHzniAUusmRCWI2YpEA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: RE: bce packet loss X-BeenThere: freebsd-net@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:17:01 -0000 > > I do still see fixed setups in service provider handoffs - for example > > this colo, Level3 and Hurricane. Also all our metro ethernet stuff > > specifies a fixed configuration. > > Well one could also say that this sort of thing tends to result from > the, "There is a knob, I MUST twist it!" syndrome. It's a layer 8-9 issue. It results from an auto-negotiation giving a half-duplex connection, and no one noticing until 6 months down the road, then demanding a huge credit from the provider for not selling a full-duplex circuit as was contracted. This happens way more often that you'd think. R.