From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 31 06:24:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1E037B401 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 06:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.us2.messagingengine.com (ny2.fastmail.fm [66.111.4.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C23F43F85 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 06:24:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jstryker@petml.com) Received: from smtp.us2.messagingengine.com (server2.internal [10.202.2.133]) by server2.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D637612E8 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 09:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1] helo=smtp.us2.messagingengine.com) by messagingengine.com with SMTP; Sat, 31 May 2003 09:24:29 -0400 Received: by smtp.us2.messagingengine.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 967A819076; Sat, 31 May 2003 09:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.71; T1.001; A1.51; B2.12; Q2.03) From: "Jason Stryker" To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 05:24:29 -0800 X-Epoch: 1054387469 X-Sasl-enc: PLl30D5Kzruulu/OO/pMOA Message-Id: <20030531132429.967A819076@smtp.us2.messagingengine.com> Subject: Something needs to change in FreeBSD land X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 13:24:32 -0000 Gentlemen, I hope we haven't already forgotten when Matt Dillon's commit bit was removed. Something needs to change in the way politics are handled in FreeBSD. Let me quote Chris G Demetriou for a moment: "When i think of "politics," i think of Jordan Hubbard, flat out lying about what's in, or going to be in, FreeBSD, or what the system can do, or what's wrong with the system. (worth noting: I've come to understand Kolstad, even see him as a reasonable person. I see jordan as a _liar_, period.) _that's_ not the game that we, or i, play." Even thought Jordan is now a non-player in the core team, others have (unfortunately) been following his style. So we actually have two problems here: a) core doesn't work as it should. b) a pretty significant number of committers not only don't do anything useful but make it hard for others to work. We essentially have extremely talented people willing to contribute to the community, e.g. Kris, Joe Marcus, knu@, tobez@, ru@, alane@, and many others I forget now. Then we have a second class of committers, people who, while talented, are a total pain in the ass to deal with: obrien, phk, bosko, dougb, des. Then we have people who don't contribute anything and love to flame: billf, alfred, Michael Shitsack (the one who, together with Bill Fuckerola, made asmodai resign), and some others. At last we have the clueless morons, people with no clue that no one knows why they're there: Scott 'top posting' Long and Hiten 'irc howto' Pandya. If you don't want your nice FreeBSD to turn into a crap, second class OS, something needs to be done. I myself am already running NetBSD and OpenBSD only, and encourage you to do the same. FreeBSD tries to be the be all end all nowadays, trying to play catch up with NetBSD on portability (nowhere near when it comes to clean code) and with OpenBSD on security, while trying to get some media attention by selling itself as Linux/GNU equivalent. Thank you. -- Jason Stryker jstryker@petml.com -- http://www.fastmail.fm - I mean, what is it about a decent email service?