From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 23 15:56:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C6A106566B for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:56:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF978FC1A for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:56:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl22-218.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.149.218]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m2NFtpd0010818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:55:59 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2NFto7K031168; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:55:51 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m2NFtnrL031167; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:55:49 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Tore Lund References: <1206146157.6973.21.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <9CA3D4489328B8E911387EE0@Macintosh.local> <1206160383.6973.42.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <200803220724.05759.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> <47E58E08.2040907@next.online.no> <20080322233254.GA5940@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <47E6208F.4020104@next.online.no> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:55:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: <47E6208F.4020104@next.online.no> (Tore Lund's message of "Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:19:11 +0100") Message-ID: <87lk49e8oq.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: m2NFtpd0010818 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.892, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.51, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: List replies X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:56:19 -0000 On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:19:11 +0100, Tore Lund wrote: > Erik Trulsson wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 11:54:00PM +0100, Tore Lund wrote: >>> [snip] >>> I request that this misunderstood piece of "etiquette" is revised. If >>> someone has the brains to find this list as well as the brains to use >>> FreeBSD at all, they also have the brains to come back here to look for >>> answers. >> >> Wrong. Not everybody who posts here is even aware that it is a mailing >> list, much less how to read mails sent to the list. > > I guess the problem is lack of imagination on my part. I am not able to > fathom how anyone can pick up and use the address of this list without > realizing that it is a mailing list. Nor have I seen this point > explained in the many previous discussions on this topic. In February 2007, Jeffrey Goldberg asked the same thing too. It comes up every few months, and the explanation I had written below seemed to be satisfactory for him. Perhaps it can help in this re-occurence of the old thread? % On 2007-02-19 10:27, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: % >[mailed and posted and cc'ed to grog] % >On Feb 19, 2007, at 4:54 AM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: % >> There is a very good reason why it is customary in this mailing list % >> to copy the sender when replying. We don't accept email messages % >> only from subscribers. This means that some people may post a % >> question without even being subscribed to the list. By Reply-To: % >> header "hacks", like the one you are describing, the original poster % >> may never see your reply. % > % > Thank you for that explanation. It might be a good idea to add this % > to point 6 of section 8 of % > % > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/index.html > Yes, and those reasons would also be good reasons to ponder whether a > mailing list is the right type of forum. Lurkers and newbies should > preferably peruse other people's question for a while before they post, > and this is hard to do if they are not even aware that this is a mailing > list. We don't accept email only from lurkers. The mailing list is also advertized as the official place to ask questions in CD-ROMs provided by vendors, in our documentation, on magazines, conferences, and so on. We don't want to make it _obligatory_ to subscribe, because this would alienate users who are too new to the Internet to be familiar with lists, subscriptions, and similar 'filtering' things. > An HTML forum is probably out of the question, [...] No, it isn't out of the question. There are several reasons why `old guard' FreeBSD people may prefer email, but we are also investigating the idea of forums. It comes up now and then, and it will probably happen sooner or later. I don't have the email thread of the old forum discussions readily available, but it isn't something the FreeBSD Project as a team would vehemently object to :)