From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 21 14:22:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01920 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:22:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01879 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:22:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from desktop-pentium (dialup514.serv.net [207.207.70.79]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA07261 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980621142205.00808910@mx.serv.net> X-Sender: fewtch@mx.serv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:22:05 -0700 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Tim Gerchmez Subject: Re: Current projects... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 06:47 AM 6/22/98 +1000, you wrote: >If you deliberately disregard the warnings given in the handbook and >elsewhere, that's your business and who am I to warn you that it might be >dangerous. Gee, will it blow up my computer? Just how do you define "dangerous?" The whole point here is to LEARN NEW THINGS, and the way you do that is by TRYING THINGS and disregarding warnings intended for people who need stable systems to run their ISP businesses on. Newbies will not be needing stable, rock-solid systems. Newbies need to TRY NEW THINGS, screw up, install, re-install, experiment, make mistakes, try again. If a newbie to BSD writes a term paper for school using StarOffice (or Vi.. hehehehe), doesn't back it up, and does something that can't be recovered from/requires an OS re-install, that person is not a newbie but an idiot. >2. You will be misleading others if you encourage them to do this. I already stated that I don't encourage others to try what I try. I've learned my lesson about that kind of thing several times, believe me. However, if you consider me simply reporting my own experiences (whether successes or failures) "encouragement," so be it. There's nothing I can do about it. >By the way. Please do not quote anyone's private mail in a public forum >without their consent. Many people get pretty stroppy over things like >that. In countries where litigation is popular there have been quite >heated debates over this kind of thing, so if you happen to believe this >newbie's warning in this case, be very careful. *Sigh*... so sue me. I live in the U.S., am on disability and receive U.S. $458/month. You'd have to fly out here for the court hearings, and convince both the U.S. and the Australian governments that I've violated some kind of law by posting a message intended to be private to a public mailing list. BTW, what I sent to the mailing list was MY REPLY to your Email, with portions of your original quoted (could be stated under the "fair use" doctrines). I certainly didn't directly forward your Email to the list. Also, although if requested I will not disclose private Email (you didn't mention anything about whether or not you cared until afterward), I consider anything coming into my mailbox to become my private property. Consider yourself warned. >Never again. ... I'm going on 24+ hrs with no sleep again. I tend to be a little aggressive at that point. If you can't deal with my style, fine, no more correspondence necessary. There are only 500 or so other people I can discuss BSD with on the newbies mailing list alone, and thousands of others elsewhere. >BTW, I don't ruffle well before 7am. Stick that up your FAQ. It's 2:08 PM here. Am I supposed to take the time difference between our locations in mind every time I send you an Email? If so, we DEFINITELY have to stop, as there's no way I'll remember about that. -- My web site starts at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html - lots of goodies for everyone, have a look if you have the time. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message