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Date:      Sun, 28 Jan 1996 16:41:56 -0600 (CST)
From:      Joe Greco <jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com>
To:        andreas@knobel.gun.de (Andreas Klemm)
Cc:        dennis@etinc.com, hm@altona.hamburg.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: Multi-Port Async Cards
Message-ID:  <199601282241.QAA02142@brasil.moneng.mei.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.91.960128200156.246B-100000@knobel.gun.de> from "Andreas Klemm" at Jan 28, 96 08:10:23 pm

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> On Sat, 27 Jan 1996, dennis wrote:
> > This scenario is frightening to me....although I think that you've answered my 
> > question......Its the final straw I think in making FreeBSD
> > marketable...obviously
> > the AST solution is unacceptable for a real ISP....I wonder why the cyclades
> > board
> > needs mgetty.....whats the major diff between getty and mgetty?
> 
> Dennis, a real ISP buys a fine Terminal Server to handle several
> Modem lines. Something like a Livingston Portmaster isn't too
> expensive for a real ISP. 

Portmasters are junk.  If you're going to get a specialized terminal 
server, buy an Annex.  Or better yet,....

> Many Modem lines produce many Interrupts. Outsource this job to
> another piece of hardware as an Terminal server. Let FreeBSD be 
> a good server machine for www an such.

Use a FreeBSD box as a terminal server.  Sheesh.  Cheaper, easier, and spare
parts are available at the corner store.  I don't have ANY specialized
terminal servers, routers, etc. here at sol.net....  everything runs FreeBSD
and everything runs extremely well.  It's very comforting knowing that in an
emergency I can cover my needs within a very short period of time by either
pressing other machines into double duty or simply buying new components.

I've been offline for a few days now, and I'm just coming into this, but I
don't know what everybody is making such a big stink about.  FreeBSD works
fine for dial-in applications.  It has for years.  Since 1.0.  I moved
Solaria's dial-in lines to a 386DX/16 with 4 16550 ports running FreeBSD 1.0
way back when, and I was incredibly impressed with the throughput and low 
CPU loading (much of which is thanks to the 16550, Suns don't have buffered
serial ports).  It didn't support bidir.  But it did do dial-in just fine.
I have yet to see a variant of FreeBSD that failed to perform admirably in
this respect.

I've had good experiences with serial cards designed for use with
Galacticomm's "MajorBBS" and several other cards.  The one questionable unit
I've seen is the BocaBoard 2016.  I have a lingering problem every few weeks
where the interrupt line gets stuck low and can't be cleared.  Unfortunately
the motherboard currently in use on the box with the BB2016 doesn't handle
resets correctly and it wedges on a reboot - else I would say that the board
is "reliable enough" because it's easy to detect when the interrupt line
gets stuck, and I could have an automated test-n-reboot if it weren't for
the bad reset..

Basically I think that any sio-driven card with full modem handshaking
should be very adequate.

What about Digiboard, Specialix, etc.?  I don't know.  I don't have any
intelligent cards.  But with the cost of a 486DX4/120 motherboard being
around $200, I don't see a real problem letting my terminal servers take the
interrupt hits.

... Joe

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