From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 9 20:54:23 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE98106566C for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 20:54:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pit@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us) Received: from outbound-mail-01.bluehost.com (cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B3908FC12 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 20:54:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14183 invoked by uid 0); 9 Apr 2010 20:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box264.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.64) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2010 20:54:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=joseph-a-nagy-jr.us; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:X-Enigmail-Version:Content-Type:X-Identified-User; b=XWzODN+FrmI2aM9NySiB75A6TFNW14OPHMv4aGLWQznk3ye649fWC8gM/xKjIVIsFcmvuXQ+dma+yRKICQoTPe+jqzOf6dsaIZBeAu5VzJXuu/AAa53ySHEjfDxqWft6; Received: from [206.74.86.236] (helo=[192.168.1.102]) by box264.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O0LDZ-00005S-Nw for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:54:22 -0600 Message-ID: <4BBF93E8.4080908@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 15:54:00 -0500 From: Programmer In Training User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100324 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4BBE8DB1.8040905@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <4BBE9470.1040607@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <4BBEB5BC.3000509@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <4bbedc81.G0j71lonOCUqR/vZ%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <4BBF2674.6080402@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <4BBF727D.6000407@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigAC513DEA68A7F0FAFF98BC08" X-Identified-User: {2250:box264.bluehost.com:ameliora:joseph-a-nagy-jr.us} {sentby:smtp auth 206.74.86.236 authed with pit@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us} Subject: Re: USB Powered Speakers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 20:54:23 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigAC513DEA68A7F0FAFF98BC08 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 04/09/10 15:24, Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 9 Apr 2010, Programmer In Training wrote: >=20 >> On 04/09/10 10:15, Brodey Dover wrote: >>> "Apr 8 22:30:16 heaven kernel: usb_alloc_device:1624: getting device= >>> descriptor at addr 3 failed, USB_ERR_IOERROR!" >>> >>> exactly! That is what is causing the issues. From what I can see, it >>> is like it was explained before. The OS has chosen to play nice and >>> request that the speakers are disabled. >>> >>> The power requirements will not affect the system until the speakers >>> are producing sound. In other words, the system will only draw UP to >>> the power input rating while in operation. At idle, I'd wager they ma= y >>> only use 1/10 of its power rating for the idle ICs and a power LED. >=20 > Just to add: >=20 > When you plug in a USB device, it is a "low power" device (single unit > load, 100 mA) by default. >=20 > If that device wants to draw more power, it has to request high power (= 5 > unit loads) from the hub. The hub can provide that power, or shut down= > the port. I never knew that about USB ports. >> Only it's not the speakers that have their operation interrupted, JUST= >> the keyboard (not even the mouse is affected). >=20 > Guesses: >=20 > Total power budget (but FIFO?). I don't get that. Do you mean total power allocated to USB? > Speaker/keyboard USB ports are on the same internal hub. I'm not sure what you mean here. I've put the speakers on the internal, builtin USB ports (1.x) and they work fine except keyboard starts flaking out. I put them on the USB expansion card (which mouse and keyboard are on because they were starting to flake out on the builtins) with the same exact behavior. > High-power OLED keyboard (my eyes!). Keyboard label (if it is to be believed) is +5V 100mA. It's just a standard keyboard with some extra multimedia keys that aren't active (a pity, too). > Speakers labelled 500 mA but really only a low-power USB device. Than they shouldn't be messing with the keyboard, right? It usually takes about an hour or so for the keyboard to settle down to a usable state (until then, I'm doing a lot of mousing as the keyboard is near useless). I really don't know where to look for this. I've never even heard of USB powered speakers until I got these (no, I don't pay much attention to what's available unless I have a great need for it). I'm thinking I'm just going to wait until Tuesday and get a brand new pair of wall-powered speakers. This hassle is NOT worth it (they put out decent sound). --=20 Yours In Christ, PIT Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. Original content copyright under the OWL http://owl.apotheon.org Please do not CC me. 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