From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 28 16:31:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E83E16A4CE; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:31:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8DCE43D45; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:31:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with ESMTP id <20041228163153i9100rfspne>; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:31:54 +0000 Message-ID: <41D18A75.7000202@nbritton.org> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:31:49 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041219) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "M. Warner Losh" References: <41D16A0F.4000909@nbritton.org> <20041228.083428.05622618.imp@bsdimp.com> <41D18150.3030104@nbritton.org> <20041228.090017.106033285.imp@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <20041228.090017.106033285.imp@bsdimp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: krinklyfig@spymac.com cc: core@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: sue@freebsd.org Subject: Re: It's time to shut down this list. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:31:55 -0000 M. Warner Losh wrote: >In message: <41D18150.3030104@nbritton.org> > Nikolas Britton writes: >: M. Warner Losh wrote: >: >: >In message: <41D16A0F.4000909@nbritton.org> >: > Nikolas Britton writes: >: >: Unless your a member of core or have been at one time your voice is >: >: unheard... >: > >: >Clearly you have no idea about how core works. I've read every single >: >message in this thread, but have thought it better to let it run its >: >coarse to see what the consensus of the community was. That's clearly >: >listening to the voices of all those concerned. >: > >: >Warner >: > >: > >: > >: I was generalizing. but now that I got your ear what is the core team >: doing about PR and Martketing, and why is the "Public Relations & >: Corporate Liaison" seat open? see the "FreeBSD's Visual Identity: >: Outdated?" and freebsd foundation threads on -questions for more info. > >We are well aware of the issues here, and have talked about them in >some depth. We'd planned on launching our efforts to fix the >problems, if any truly exist, after the first of the year when people >are back from their holidays. > Thats good to know, sounds like some progress... keep us informed and I'm willing to help if needed. > Also, there's never been a PR seat, so >to complain that it is open is like complaining that the village idiot >seat is open... That critism is unwarranted. > Ok (sorry), then there is the first thing to fix, delete it from this page: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/staff-who.html >In the past, PR has >been done by the cdrom companies, but their monitary incentives for >doing that is now way down since cdrom sales have dropped so much over >the years. The FreeBSD Foundation is an independent entity, over >which core has no control. > >Warner > > >