From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Wed Dec 20 12:27:22 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED2DE85C41 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 12:27:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gljennjohn@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x234.google.com (mail-wr0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FB476AB93 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 12:27:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gljennjohn@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x234.google.com with SMTP id w68so9689210wrc.10 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 04:27:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yhIF/aHnNw42Pj1jdgiKdi4J44r+JEo88Kjgsr5viSU=; b=bwm0NRdwC10u2OU4GZvrUDu2ncu93ynFg9vDDn3eb/QpH9TprAGjitVHRo+07TOmhi vr1EhC7PllL9ulTRVHw9Ss4NMFOu9gsDvRi1wmAjp7+BaqD6HPoJccMjOESU1JRTNLjJ YLBfFmp3+qjKD76lE4h2dgRW6Aq+RkdX99FXS3TqR3jBXfoNgYo12YPIhESY36a60y0n L8cMsH3DsfNU7UQoqUsPUNy1y+VOvpLGtC/IlGJUxlQ0oENLdKZUbSQvCWaNmt6XXwzW DHz9L1TBmKlENTjZ5YniQ4elVTW4SZuoQrF040nSIE5zFedScBglO9FiK9rPPLglMu2W /LZQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yhIF/aHnNw42Pj1jdgiKdi4J44r+JEo88Kjgsr5viSU=; b=PomB+ZdiIZW3h5VQV6jkPsgJKTwtCKdcek8tMlMK8/lx567fv3htsp+rdirySfsvh9 ul/bk+CwzA7guS8bpz30xA1W2y4TZ/LCuJrmdJ7ZySujS0iAxlGdFeCF1se5mms7latC 2zk8WcpVSrd42ee9zYzY/beUOdKinOj/iOwRKHtZHKgARrhiwhamgCRbQ9Hbg4Gz3PTn 1iQz6/ygzHOyWUV2nCPiezDUFWyR4jPXWQa/T+A7lofHe1ZwMYylEOwNuw+v0vOG+4UL 2jiWA53rNw1FBDULZcIMPoE0p1OowFZ2yD4DjAehti30vGZkVcjjYZUbZHHnKUSuoMVO o2Hg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mKORTEuk11WI8oVgWW/kBJZU7pMBAOU8MJ6cv0gkdlbH9W9XWui NjQgHf7lvw/z7nsYBPzI0lWCbA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBoti2ygoAvO1C7gR7mGZpLwA4htM1KuUTMfmfUXt+HKphlNThg784EBiMDENyINKkjV85ULvIg== X-Received: by 10.223.151.40 with SMTP id r37mr8413957wrb.164.1513772840483; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 04:27:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ernst.home (p5B0238CC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. [91.2.56.204]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u44sm17723848wrb.68.2017.12.20.04.27.18 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 20 Dec 2017 04:27:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:27:17 +0100 From: Gary Jennejohn To: Johannes Lundberg Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Vote: making wayland=on default (also posted to ports@) Message-ID: <20171220132717.0eb5777d@ernst.home> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: gljennjohn@gmail.com X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 12:27:22 -0000 On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:55:58 +0000 Johannes Lundberg wrote: > Hi > > I want to suggest that we enable wayland by default. In current state > having some parts of wayland in ports is basically useless the > end-users themselves re-build gtk30 and mesa-libs with wayland > enabled. > > libwayland-egl.so from mesa-libs and the extra libraries and headers > from gtk30 adds like a few KB, a drop in the ocean compared to xorg > packages. (might be something more that I missed) > > Personally I see no reason not to make it default on, even with > flavors coming up. For any Desktop user (as well as embedded devices > like IVI-systems and whatnot), Wayland is the future. There's no > escaping that. > > Wayland has been quite usable on FreeBSD for over a year now but > access to it is limited due to the extra efforts required to use it. > > If we are to compare with the other guys, several Linux distros are > already switching to wayland-based compositors as default window > server. > > What do you think? > > > Edit: This does not break or modify anything existing. It does not > force you to do anything different. It simply adds a couple of > libraries that you won't use unless you run wayland stuff (if you > install gtk30 and mesa-libs). > Can you guarantee this? I seem to have mesa-libs stuff installed even though I use the nvidia-driver. May be that pkg just installed mesa-libs as a dependency for some other package. I'm using the AMD Ryzen which has no on-board graphics, so I'm happily using my NVIDIA GPU and have absolutely no desire to change because someone enables wayland by default. -- Gary Jennejohn