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Date:      Wed, 20 Apr 2005 13:00:46 -0500
From:      Ash <omniBSD@speakeasy.net>
To:        koen de wijs <koendewijs@gmx.net>
Cc:        questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD vs Linux
Message-ID:  <426698CE.3040307@speakeasy.net>
In-Reply-To: <426686A2.4030303@gmx.net>
References:  <426686A2.4030303@gmx.net>

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koen de wijs wrote:
> Hello folks,
> 
> 
> I'm new to unix. This year I tried FreeBSD. Some friend of mine adviced 
> FreeBSD. I think it works great. Only one thing that I don't like is 
> that you will need to know a lot to setup a lot of basic stuff.
> I want to try out Linux. I heard it is more user friendly and the basic 
> stuff will be set up during installation.
> 
> I really don't like the sysinstall menu. It is really unlogically. Why 
> isn't there a desktop and a server installation?

The above is a matter of taste, so I can't really do much other than 
share my personal experience. There is also a link closer the bottom if 
you want to skip my rant and get an answer to your second question.

I use (i.e. administer) FreeBSD, OpenBSD, GNU/Linux (Debian), Solaris 
and Microsoft Windows Servers on a daily basis, so I have seen my share 
of different installation methods throughout the years. I started in the 
Windows world a few years ago and moved to the UNIX world around 1995 
(Windows95 was a bit too much for my 486DX2-66 with 4MB of RAM to 
handle, so I gave Redhat a spin). I've personally found sysinstall(8), 
to be a rather straight forward and logical mechanism for configuring 
all of my "basic stuff", eg:

	- disk partitioning
	- network configuration
	- pkg-installation [1]
	- input devices (e.g. keyboard/mouse)
	- console configuration
	- Xwindows configuration

I admit that printing and sound are not configured "out of the box", 
however getting them up and running is not incredibly difficult.

My positive experience with sysinstall(8) may be due to the fact that I 
spent a few minutes to go over the instructions provided in the 
handbook, which is available in multiple languages (including, what I am 
assuming is your native tongue, German):

	 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/

If your complaint is that FreeBSD and the community around it expect you 
too read some documentation, then FreeBSD probably is not the right OS 
for you. This is not to say that either you or FreeBSD are deficient, 
rather simply incompatible.

There are UNIX like operating systems that allow you to have the instant 
gratification of a (usually) mostly working install out of the box 
without much reading (e.g. Mandriva (or OS formerly known as Mandrake), 
Suse, Fedora Core, etc...), so perhaps you would be more comfortable 
using one of those.

Personally, I'm OK with the FreeBSD way of doing things so that's what 
I've been running as my primary desktop/workstation for the last few 
years. I do keep a GNU/Linux install (Currently Suse 9.2) on a laptop 
that I occasionally use so I remain up to date on the desktop side of 
GNU/Linux.

If you are looking for a relatively inexpensive and easy to configure 
desktop only machine, but want still to play around with some UNIXy 
stuff, then perhaps Windows XP + (Cygwin [2] or Microsoft Services For 
Unix [3]) is a better route for you.

> 
> 
> Could anyone give me a good site that describes the differences between 
> FreeBSD and Linux?
> 

This is a good place to start:

http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux1.php

> 
> Koen
> (I don't want to start a flame war, only some good sites)
> 

Unfortunately, due to the tone of your e-mail, you may find yourself 
getting flamed a bit. Hopefully, your e-mail was sincere and you get 
some helpful answers. If you're trolling with that e-mail, then I hope 
no one takes the bait.

In any case, I hope you find a solution that works for you.

-Ash

[1] I admit that I haven't used sysinstall(8) for this purpose in years, 
as I prefer to cvsup base and ports after installing a bare system and 
go from there.

[2] http://www.cygwin.com/

[3] http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/



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