From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 17 08:58:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B62037B401 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE08E43F93 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:58:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from interjet.elischer.org ([12.233.125.100]) by attbi.com (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2003071715575901300ig2rje>; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:57:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.elischer.org [127.0.0.1]) by InterJet.elischer.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA03813; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:57:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Julian Stacey In-Reply-To: <200307171205.h6HC5cno061708@tower.berklix.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Matthew Dillon cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:58:04 -0000 On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Julian Stacey wrote: > Periodicaly someone masquerades as Matt Dilllon. Those targeted > by trolls need to work extra hard to establish credibility of > poster's address, to avoid suspicion of "troll at work" (phone > number maybe?). Trolls of course need to work extra hard too, to > also convince us. Maybe this time the poster is the real Matthew > Dillon, but I doubt it. > > Matthew Dillon appeared to write: > > > Announcing DragonFly BSD! > > http://www.dragonflybsd.org/ > > Doing a new kernel approach seems a plausible tech target, > the merits I'd leave to others. > > > and to completely rewrite the packaging and distribution system. > > Seems unliklely/over ambitious/ divisive to me, suspicion of Troll. firstly, Matt has discussed this with me in person. > > - A new kernel - OK - maybe it'll cross fertilise others, > but couldn't it run with an exisiting /usr/src ? Free Net or Open. Mat had his commit bit unfairly removed.. what would YOU do? > - A new ports / package system - OK if the need is felt: even though > FreeBSD ports/ was so popular it got adoped & looked at by other > projects, that didn't stop it changing recently (file > reduction) But couldn't it run with exisiting BSDs, presumably > FreeBSD ? The ports project is really a Sisyphus [sp? was Greek > anyway, not our Latin alphabet ] effort, a dubious idea to divide > the number of shoulders that load sits on. There's already another > cross platform ports project anyway (Freshports?) > - A new distribution mechanism (whatever) ? maybe - but again > if better, that technology should be adopted & merged into other BSDs. > > http://www.dragonflybsd.org/ may be a just a troll erection, it's > constructed so there's nothing real to see. A troll site ? No > where to click & sample code inside browser, you'd have to cvsup & > extract localy to check real code. No interest until others confirm real. you missed the entire source tree? look again.. and I doubt that a troller would have redesigned the entire kernel to make a troll and made it work.. if he did we should invite him in.. > > If friends who localy know / work with / meet Matthew Dillon, > announce on this list that it's really him, & that's what he's > really doing & is to be taken seriously, then it'll perhaps be worth > looking at, but then again, maybe the real Matt will return to his > desk, & announce another troll attempt. it's himm.. believe it.. > > The logo is useless (& a troll give away ?): > - Business: Yesterday I delivered an HP Network > Scanjet 5, with NT removed & FreeBSD installed ( > http://berklix.com/scanjet ) I stuck a FreeBSD `tattoo' (from > WC?) on the chassis just after the `5' of the product name (they > stick fine on plastic, though text implies for human skin (not > tried that)). IMO the Linux & BSD logos are both rather childish, > but clearly used for business as well as personal. but I wouldn't > stick the dragonflybsd slavering head on a rubbish bin. > - Last night at the Munich BSD monthly gathering ( http://berklix.org/bim/ ) > this month's convenor had brought > a Chuck daemon which stood verticaly as recognition symbol, after > shovin feet in a big (clean) ash tray. A Penguin can also be made to stand, > (low centre of gravity help) But what would one do with a slavering head ? > ... Other than Bin it ! > > First 2 sentences of main page seem a possible Linux troll give away: > DragonFly is an operating system and environment designed to be > the logical continuation of the FreeBSD-4.x OS series. These > operating systems belong in the same class as Linux in that they > are based on UNIX ideals and APIs. > > "We" > There's a lot of mention of "We" on those few pages, & no list of who the > list of "We" includes as founders. A fake site maybe ? He did this with consultation with some others.. I don't think they are 'active' but they were consulted. > > There's too many BSD's already. More complete BSDs aren't of > personal or business benefit. More kernels, tools, & experiments > in ports/packaging etc could be useful though, but to be of most > benefit such work should be fully integratable, & not further split > the available BSD workforce. Well if you take away his commit bit treeat him unfairly, what other choice does he have? > > My guess is the original post was a fake masquerade, (what some call a > troll), the web site is probably the same. (Apologies to Matt if I'm > wrong, but the real Matt hopefuly appreciates us being cautious :-) > > My Tel. +49.89.260233276 Timezone=GMT+01:00 (EG ID check :-) > > - > Julian Stacey Freelance Systems Engineer, Unix & Net Consultant, Munich. > Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! 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