From owner-freebsd-current Fri Dec 10 21: 4: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from ren.detir.qld.gov.au (ns.detir.qld.gov.au [203.46.81.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3742714D52; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:04:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from syssgm@detir.qld.gov.au) Received: by ren.detir.qld.gov.au; id PAA09409; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:03:24 +1000 (EST) Received: from ogre.detir.qld.gov.au(167.123.8.3) via SMTP by ren.detir.qld.gov.au, id smtpd009407; Sat Dec 11 15:03:21 1999 Received: from atlas.detir.qld.gov.au (atlas.detir.qld.gov.au [167.123.8.9]) by ogre.detir.qld.gov.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA22877; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:03:21 +1000 (EST) Received: from nymph.detir.qld.gov.au (nymph.detir.qld.gov.au [167.123.10.10]) by atlas.detir.qld.gov.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15883; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:03:22 +1000 (EST) Received: from nymph.detir.qld.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nymph.detir.qld.gov.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA01950; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:03:19 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from syssgm@nymph.detir.qld.gov.au) Message-Id: <199912110503.PAA01950@nymph.detir.qld.gov.au> To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, syssgm@detir.qld.gov.au Subject: Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired! References: <199912110158.RAA04944@mass.cdrom.com> In-Reply-To: <199912110158.RAA04944@mass.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:58:59 -0800" Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:03:19 +1000 From: Stephen McKay Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Friday, 10th December 1999, Mike Smith wrote: >The same mentality that made the CAM cutover a "debacle" is making the >ata cutover a "debacle". This "mentality" might be an unavoidable part of human nature. I found my first reaction was "How dare they take away something I have now?!" and it took some careful thinking to see that my loss was actually very small against future benefits. It might be that these things have to be predicted by -core and handled "touchy feely" like: core: What if we do this ? public: Um, sounds scary. When will you do it? Will I lose anything? core: We think a month from now, and you will lose support for and . public: We don't use and any more, so fine. instead of the current (caricatured for emphasis): core: We will do soon. Probably today. public: Oh my God! core: It's for your own good. You always complain and make it difficult! public: We don't want to change anything, ever! It's so hard! You must support all my hardware for ever and ever! >Fortunately, the CAM folks persisted despite the criticism, and I'm glad >to see that Soren is taking the same stance. Not everything improved with CAM. Personally I'm only receiving the benifits of CAM now, about a year after it replaced the old system. On the balance it has been good for FreeBSD, but you have to remember that there will be small pockets of users that will get the short end of the stick. How the project deals with the losers in these deals is important for its long term health. Stephen. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message