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To: Andrey Chernov <ache@nagual.pp.ru>
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Subject: Re: Recent TTYDEF_LFLAG default change 
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In message <20041103111157.GA12950@nagual.pp.ru>, Andrey Chernov writes:
>TTYDEF_LFLAG have ECHO* in it for years, and it is user-visible, some 
>programs may use it (see recent stty/key.c hacking).
>
>Why it was needed to remove ECHO* from here just to make yet one 
>non-standard, non cross-BSD compatible and unknown TTYDEF_LFLAG_ECHO?

Because if you open a serial port and it defaults to echo, you may end up in
an "echo-war" with the other end before you ever get a chance to call
ioctl and disable echoing.

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