From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Tue May 30 16:52:19 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0984EB8814E for ; Tue, 30 May 2017 16:52:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pf0-x22a.google.com (mail-pf0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB8E36F4AB for ; Tue, 30 May 2017 16:52:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pf0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id 9so77419603pfj.1 for ; Tue, 30 May 2017 09:52:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=Rwa8i/ptJOOuNXPu9jczhussiAwWtTUEm9z5iZvssqQ=; b=J/62izjAgoXmehBr4AQXIaFjSVvWVUrOy1ApzOjIxNgcEQ9Ml/tVZyl+MmAFFCkCis rYmjiQAKnX1uhDe1jdm9H+UHWUKYSJTZFu456BTpFXyxaAOehBGjEgXrmxkgDB3eqrVT nGUqW+FK8h3bjUbsC3CpMwoUWUYJoIYBfHTCvSW6qiURTVuICTDJTRVltqwPbgpg0x3v HcvADecEJMcch6rWfzyhb8/0B2rSrG6x+LassiCl8P++IoPspI1qH0yZ5dZtys0M71Le aFL5Cx1Qsc605hDGdhkbKdqACn8sXrWQSYlCyaA1j4sFL3AToBo8OkuNJyCjiZUTxu/r KzuQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Rwa8i/ptJOOuNXPu9jczhussiAwWtTUEm9z5iZvssqQ=; b=SUBwFmSTDfALqKErIwLHB/43td+fviTOUmgN4ZilVXm4iNyp7/IrpdSnIttglrXLXT O9kzgBq9xHz1atwMF1kmI190iYm+pKmfo4OOHII08WmyguJFBdpKd/xpDsxZ58YwTQCR BsU3yGSCotC/T93Y2+T+Ei8cMIk6Px/qxsvuTaDAjOU1p8sfdi6I2j+b/mbc7QccaaTr eS3LeIQWcuAF1GWCMo3kbAGEazpk/uIFcnYz+LeBJluQ3sh0t27F7MHBkNy0UYuKDBhs GreFk27XU7OfkmOspoHiiO8GSzHOGyBt2cu98TwsR7datf48t5j/nK8Nix2cUWVKg/tB 6Oxg== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcDOvRh9WES0HZD+YZnGede5wKuO4srp04OUFUgZwG3/X1aKShHh HLZaVrUBFGPWd0K6iGYColk4877wbg== X-Received: by 10.99.247.83 with SMTP id f19mr27181992pgk.190.1496163138131; Tue, 30 May 2017 09:52:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: kob6558@gmail.com Received: by 10.100.176.201 with HTTP; Tue, 30 May 2017 09:52:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201705301415.v4UEFNJv049083@mech-as222.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <9FEDBFCE-27D1-432B-926B-7BF401AD7B19@adamw.org> <201705301415.v4UEFNJv049083@mech-as222.men.bris.ac.uk> From: Kevin Oberman Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 09:52:17 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a7hwS66SQRqsT-al0B3lbRSNRNg Message-ID: Subject: Re: The future of portmaster To: Anton Shterenlikht Cc: Adam Weinberger , rollingbits@gmail.com, FreeBSD Ports ML Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 16:52:19 -0000 On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 7:15 AM, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > >From adamw@adamw.org Tue May 30 15:03:31 2017 > > > >The ports tree continues to evolve. Major new features are planned and in > the process of being implemented. These changes will break all the > port-building tools. > > oy vei > > >poudriere and synth are actively developed, so they will quickly support > the new changes. portmaster and portupgrade are no longer being actively > developed, so it is anticipated that they will stop working until somebody > fixes them (if at all). > > I last used poudriere a couple years back. > It is much more involved than portmaster > (obviously, these 2 tools are not doing the same job) > > >So no, portmaster isn't going away. But, there's no guarantee that it > will keep working. We strongly, strongly advise everyone to use poudriere > or synth to build their ports, and then plain old "pkg upgrade" to handle > updates. > > because my experience of poudriere was mixed, > I haven't used it at all on amd64. > pkg is great. And when occasionally I need > non-default options I use portmaster. > > > > >The vast majority of problems reported on this mailing list exist only in > portmaster/portupgrade, because they do not do clean builds. At this point, > portmaster should only be used by people with enough ports development > experience to understand and mitigate conflicts and various build errors. > > I agree that a dirty environement is mostly > the source of bad portmaster builds. > > However, to create the whole poudriere enviroment > to build a port a week, or maybe a month, seems > like an overkill. > > Yes, I know, it's a volunteer project, things > evolve, unless somebody steps in... > > If my recollection of poudriere is correct, > I'll need a separate ports tree? > And if I only need to build a single port > with custom settings, I'll have to start > every time from scratch? > And if I want to use this single port with > default settings with my other ports, I need > to make sure the 2 port trees are in sync. > > Sorry if I don't do poudeire justice, it's been a while... > > Anton > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I really suggest that you look at synth. It also builds in a clean environment and provides all of the advantages of poudeire for use in a single-system (or multiple identical systems) case. No jails to set up. It builds a local pkg repository and you then use pkg on everything. I don't consider it a replacement for portmaster, but in most environments it does the same job and, since it builds in a clean environment, it avoids many of the issues with other tools. It is also very well documented, so it is not too hard to understand setup and use. -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683