From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 11 19:25:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21D316A412 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:25:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gergely.czuczy@harmless.hu) Received: from marvin.harmless.hu (marvin.harmless.hu [195.56.55.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF3543DF6 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:24:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gergely.czuczy@harmless.hu) Received: from localhost (marvin-mail [192.168.0.2]) by marvin.harmless.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105127C00C0; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 20:24:13 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harmless.hu Received: from marvin.harmless.hu ([192.168.0.2]) by localhost (marvin.harmless.hu [192.168.0.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GFlgIisiMCmI; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 20:24:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from marvin.harmless.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marvin.harmless.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DDDC7C00B7; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 20:24:07 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 20:24:06 +0100 From: Gergely CZUCZY To: Kris Kennaway Message-ID: <20061111192406.GA57162@harmless.hu> References: <20061111172731.GB39999@harmless.hu> <20061111183110.GA6975@xor.obsecurity.org> <20061111183432.GA41296@harmless.hu> <20061111184025.GA7128@xor.obsecurity.org> <20061111184625.GA41463@harmless.hu> <20061111185228.GA7338@xor.obsecurity.org> <20061111185747.GA56613@harmless.hu> <20061111190245.GA7577@xor.obsecurity.org> <20061111191322.GA56870@harmless.hu> <20061111191733.GB7930@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=x-unknown; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061111191733.GB7930@xor.obsecurity.org> User-Agent: mutt-ng/devel-r804 (FreeBSD) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 05:09:01 +0000 Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: system randomly freezes X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:25:42 -0000 --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 02:17:33PM -0500, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 08:13:22PM +0100, Gergely CZUCZY wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 02:02:46PM -0500, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 07:57:47PM +0100, Gergely CZUCZY wrote: > > >=20 > > > > > OK, seems weird to go through all the disruption of changing to a= new > > > > > OS instead of a few minutes work at a console to give us what we = need > > > > > to resolve the matter -- but whatever works for you. > > > > already done some stuff like these movings... i'm familiars with th= em. > > > > it's not about a few minutes work. it's about the few hours' downti= me :) > > >=20 > > > It's a few minutes to perform the additional work at the serial > > > console when your system hangs, which is *required* for a developer to > > > help with your problem. If you're not willing to do this, there's not > > > much more we can do for you. > > i will see what can i do. a serial console may be accessable, but i'm n= ot sure. > > i will have to visit the server hotel and talk with the techies there. = we > > have two boxes there, and it may be somehow possible to connect their > > serial ports. the problem is, they are far away in the room from each o= ther. > > the hotel only gives system console(VGA+ps2 keyboard) access if i ask. = but > > this bloody box sometimes ain't even responses to that anyways, the LCD > > remains blank. >=20 > You can't even break to the debugger? well, no. currently the serial line is not configured nor connected, and the system c= onsole is not accessable. > > i'd like to solve this, but the technical opportunities are limited her= e. > > we cannot have downtime, and if we have it have to be minimized. as you= see > > clients won't accept a reasons like "sorry, we were debugging this OS we > > run at the server". > >=20 > > the question will be that, when i have a serial link, and shit happens(= tm), > > should i inspect it myself, or should i scream somewhere for a more dec= ent > > person (maybe a developer) to check it? >=20 > Did you read the developers handbook chapter I pointed you to, yet? may be. a while back i've read the developers' handbook. but yet, i haven't read that chapter, currently, i'm in a work, and have little time to share. > > > After 6.2 is release will of course be too late for you, again. If > > > the problem is not fixed by magic then you'll be in the same position > > > you are now. > > why too late? it usually go for a month with a reboot. and it should be > > released in a month. as i see, it fits into the time :) >=20 > Because (if it is a FreeBSD bug) then you'll have more work to do to > apply a patch to your system, and also it won't help anyone else who > might also be seeing the problem, until 6.3-RELEASE in ~6 months. probably you won't see this bug for a few weeks. it happens in 4-6 weeks' time usually. and till that, 6.2 comes out. And we will anyway update to 6.2-RELEASE after it come out. As i had stated, it's not an everyday issue, it just happens from time-to-time, irregularly, inpredictable. Bye, Gergely Czuczy mailto: gergely.czuczy@harmless.hu --=20 Weenies test. 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