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Date:      Sat, 11 Nov 2006 20:24:06 +0100
From:      Gergely CZUCZY <phoemix@harmless.hu>
To:        Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
Cc:        hackers@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: system randomly freezes
Message-ID:  <20061111192406.GA57162@harmless.hu>
In-Reply-To: <20061111191733.GB7930@xor.obsecurity.org>
References:  <20061111172731.GB39999@harmless.hu> <20061111183110.GA6975@xor.obsecurity.org> <20061111183432.GA41296@harmless.hu> <20061111184025.GA7128@xor.obsecurity.org> <20061111184625.GA41463@harmless.hu> <20061111185228.GA7338@xor.obsecurity.org> <20061111185747.GA56613@harmless.hu> <20061111190245.GA7577@xor.obsecurity.org> <20061111191322.GA56870@harmless.hu> <20061111191733.GB7930@xor.obsecurity.org>

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On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 02:17:33PM -0500, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 08:13:22PM +0100, Gergely CZUCZY wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 02:02:46PM -0500, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > > On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 07:57:47PM +0100, Gergely CZUCZY wrote:
> > >=20
> > > > > OK, seems weird to go through all the disruption of changing to a=
 new
> > > > > OS instead of a few minutes work at a console to give us what we =
need
> > > > > to resolve the matter -- but whatever works for you.
> > > > already done some stuff like these movings... i'm familiars with th=
em.
> > > > it's not about a few minutes work. it's about the few hours' downti=
me :)
> > >=20
> > > It's a few minutes to perform the additional work at the serial
> > > console when your system hangs, which is *required* for a developer to
> > > help with your problem.  If you're not willing to do this, there's not
> > > much more we can do for you.
> > i will see what can i do. a serial console may be accessable, but i'm n=
ot sure.
> > i will have to visit the server hotel and talk with the techies there. =
we
> > have two boxes there, and it may be somehow possible to connect their
> > serial ports. the problem is, they are far away in the room from each o=
ther.
> > the hotel only gives system console(VGA+ps2 keyboard) access if i ask. =
but
> > this bloody box sometimes ain't even responses to that anyways, the LCD
> > remains blank.
>=20
> You can't even break to the debugger?
well, no.
currently the serial line is not configured nor connected, and the system c=
onsole
is not accessable.

> > i'd like to solve this, but the technical opportunities are limited her=
e.
> > we cannot have downtime, and if we have it have to be minimized. as you=
 see
> > clients won't accept a reasons like "sorry, we were debugging this OS we
> > run at the server".
> >=20
> > the question will be that, when i have a serial link, and shit happens(=
tm),
> > should i inspect it myself, or should i scream somewhere for a more dec=
ent
> > person (maybe a developer) to check it?
>=20
> Did you read the developers handbook chapter I pointed you to, yet?
may be. a while back i've read the developers' handbook. but yet, i
haven't read that chapter, currently, i'm in a work, and have little time
to share.

> > > After 6.2 is release will of course be too late for you, again.  If
> > > the problem is not fixed by magic then you'll be in the same position
> > > you are now.
> > why too late? it usually go for a month with a reboot. and it should be
> > released in a month. as i see, it fits into the time :)
>=20
> Because (if it is a FreeBSD bug) then you'll have more work to do to
> apply a patch to your system, and also it won't help anyone else who
> might also be seeing the problem, until 6.3-RELEASE in ~6 months.
probably you won't see this bug for a few weeks. it happens in 4-6 weeks'
time usually. and till that, 6.2 comes out. And we will anyway update to
6.2-RELEASE after it come out. As i had stated, it's not an everyday issue,
it just happens from time-to-time, irregularly, inpredictable.

Bye,

Gergely Czuczy
mailto: gergely.czuczy@harmless.hu

--=20
Weenies test. Geniuses solve problems that arise.

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