From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 30 17:52:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFC816A4CE for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:52:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from quark.cs.earlham.edu (cs.earlham.edu [159.28.230.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF1743D41 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:52:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from skylar@cs.earlham.edu) Received: from quark.cs.earlham.edu (localhost.cs.earlham.edu [127.0.0.1]) by quark.cs.earlham.edu (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5UHqfWb055672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:52:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from skylar@cs.earlham.edu) Received: (from skylar@localhost) by quark.cs.earlham.edu (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5UHqffx055671 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:52:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from skylar@cs.earlham.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: quark.cs.earlham.edu: skylar set sender to skylar@quark.cs.earlham.edu using -f Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:52:41 -0500 From: Skylar Thompson To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040630175241.GC54215@quark.cs.earlham.edu> References: <200406281706.11188.matt@fruitsalad.org> <200406281644.i5SGiM0h097809@lurza.secnetix.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Fig2xvG2VGoz8o/s" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200406281644.i5SGiM0h097809@lurza.secnetix.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Sender: "Skylar Thompson" X-Accept-Primary-Language: en X-Accept-Secondary-Language: es SMTP-Mailing-Host: quark.cs.earlham.edu X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE X-Uptime: 12:41PM up 12 days, 9:26, 14 users, load averages: 0.12, 0.16, 0.15 X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 6.2 (2003 Jun 1, compiled May 19 2004 13:14:50) X-Earlham-CS-Dept-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Earlham-CS-Dept-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: skylar@cs.earlham.edu Subject: Re: Maximum uptime 497 days? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Skylar Thompson List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:52:48 -0000 --Fig2xvG2VGoz8o/s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 06:44:22PM +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote: > You did notice the smiley, didn't you? >=20 > But seriously, I think that the widespread uptime fetishism > is somewhat dangerous. People often try hard to avoid > rebooting machines, just in order to "save their precious > uptime", even if there are good reasons to reboot. >=20 > A machine with 1.5 years of uptime -- be it in an isolated > environment or not -- has accumulated the bugs of 1.5 years > that have been fixed in the latest version of the OS, so to > speak. >=20 > In fact there is software which I wouldn't want to run even > if it were outdated for only a few days. Mysql is one such > example. Every time I looked at the huge list of bugs that > have been fixed in the latest version, I almost got a heart > attack. (Changing to PostgreSQL was very healthy.) A lot of security holes can be patched without rebooting. In general, only kernel updates strictly require a reboot. There have been a few kernel security vulnerabilities released in the past couple years, but a lot of them are for DoS attacks, not privelege escelation. --=20 -- Skylar Thompson (skylar@cs.earlham.edu) -- http://www.cs.earlham.edu/~skylar/ --Fig2xvG2VGoz8o/s Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFA4v3psc4yyULgN4YRAtJ6AJ482YuZFigC6+QmUua0aCOhiGY4EwCfd8yo WvUp+m8ecT/tSthBTZC+B7I= =4FWq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Fig2xvG2VGoz8o/s--