From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 20 18:58:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10844 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:58:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA10822 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:58:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (kaput@[207.107.48.93]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00890; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DCD40B.65EB9E16@aei.ca> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:57:31 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake CC: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: URL and Opinions on how to really learn something References: <35DC550F.3E76A4F3@aei.ca> <19980821082608.23489@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 12:55:43PM -0400, Malartre wrote: > > > > The main thing I hate with Unix is than there is no standarisation, so > > you need to read a lot of stuff who do not really matter about such and > > such situation (exemple: sh vs csh, will I learn both? Do I need to > > learn both? Also System V vs BSD vs AIX vs HP-UX etc...: they always > > give a lot of documentation on both way in the same document, this is > > why my old Oreilly book have 500 pages on Unix, and only ½ of them apply > > for BSD, if not less) > > Hope it will help > > You've hit the nail on the head. While there's a lot of resources > around, it is very difficult to find and select those that are worth > recommending. A good example is unix guides for beginners. There's > thousands of them, but which ones are good? Someone who knows > absolutely nothing about unix can't judge very well, and it takes a lot > of time to look through a large list of them. > > What should a basic introductory unix guide for new FreeBSD users offer? > Off the top of my head... > > - make no assumptions about prior knowledge (or state them up front) > - contain no errors > - relevant to my system (FreeBSD) > - relevant to my configuration (e.g. describes the same shell) > - easy to understand, good pace > - explain concepts as well as how-to > - demonstrate how to use the concepts to expand on learned skills > - show how what is learned can be put into daily use > - make me feel confident, not stupid > - suggest where to go to learn more > > Anything else? > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- A little project to "concatenate" free tutorials from the web, with a little bit of re-design. I know Unix is supposed to be really open, but who care of having tcsh, bash, ksh, ash, sh, csh zsh blah blah blaaaaaaaaaaah! I'm going crazy. My dream is a FreeBSD "simulator". In the Apple Corp way! You start the simulator, then, the black screen split in two:In the upper screen, there is instruction, in the downscreen, you try the instruction. A kind of step by step/interactive way to learn it. Well, it's a dream, so I think I will return to my C "hello, world" tutorial. Finaly, the shell should be sh. I think it's simply "the basic" shell. ---blah blah MS-DOS (sometimes) rocks--- -- [Malartre][malartre@aei.ca][http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message