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Jerry Hicks wrote:

> Ruslan Shevchenko wrote:
> ?
> ?   In reality, FreeBSD can not be concurentable ws NT,   we have few big
> ? problems:
> At our shop, in reality, we get more *done* on our FreeBSD boxes.
>
> ?      1. bad java support
> ?         1. biss-awt won't work (on 2.2-stable)
> ?         2. port of latest jdk from sun is absent.
> Java is another infantile disorder (see Dijkstra).  It's also from Sun.
> For the first time in history, the entire computing industry is
> preparing to embrace a proprietary, unstandardized, unverifiable,
> incomplete language.  Blech.
>
> If Sun chose to make the regression test suites public (they aren't),
> then perhaps the library support would be better for all platforms, not
> just FreeBSD.
>
> Have you ever seen the Java source distribution?  Licensing terms?
> Double-blech.
>

  Good. but exist reality.  In reality, I must use corporate database,
   and have ability to run/ *quickly* develop clients with graphical
   interface.

   Java is a goot tool, as Delphi for Windows.

  (I'm not Java patriot, or Delphi patriot, but
   as IT manager I can not choose something else)

   (Tk-perl with connect to internal Oracle client,
    running on top of SCO emulator ???)


> ?      2. We have not GUI admin interface for FreeBSD,
> ?         so newbaies will preffer other systems.
> Wahhh, write one. ;)
>

  May be ;) (time;;))

> ?      3. near 80% of using computers is databases.
> ?         we have not port of client software for well-known
> ?         commerce databases (Oracle, Sysbase, Informix)
> 80%? What is your source for that figure?  Faircom has an excellent
> well-known commercial database running on FreeBSD, more appropriate for
> many applications than those you mentioned.  Source available too.

    Thanks.

> ?      4. We have not good c++ compiler.
> ?         gcc is great, but exceptions and namespaces are
> ?         very important stuff for c++ programmers.
> ?         And standart string class yet not well in 2.2-stable.
> Even so, we really do get more *done* on FreeBSD than our other
> systems.  There are enough people using and developing for gcc that some
> critical mass has been reached.  It'll happen.  Probably way before Java
> is complete.
>
> We use RogueWave tools.h++ for commercial C++ apps.  Works nicely.
>
> ?
>
> FreeBSD: No slogan required.  It's good.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Jerry Hicks
> jerry_hicks@bigfoot.com