From owner-freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 27 04:32:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D2F1065673 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:32:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (gerbercreations.com [71.39.140.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A2FD13C455 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:32:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (localhost.eyesbeyond.com [127.0.0.1]) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.13.1/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m1R4VoTZ084487; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:31:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.13.1/8.13.3/Submit) id m1R4VngQ084486; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:31:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) X-Authentication-Warning: misty.eyesbeyond.com: glewis set sender to glewis@eyesbeyond.com using -f Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:31:49 -0800 From: Greg Lewis To: Mark Linimon Message-ID: <20080227043149.GA84411@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <20080219213031.GB85220@osiris.chen.org.nz> <20080220.103213.233678772.ken@tydfam.jp> <47BB8C82.2000909@buzmo.com> <20080220.131304.-345497826.ken@tydfam.jp> <47BBCDD8.4020305@buzmo.com> <47BD6FDF.2070603@rucci.org> <20080226191203.GA81385@misty.eyesbeyond.com> <20080227020607.GA13884@soaustin.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080227020607.GA13884@soaustin.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Daniel Rucci , freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org, pieter@degoeje.nl, glewis@eyebeyond.com.eyesbeyond.com, freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: java/eclipse and jdk1.6 X-BeenThere: freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD users of eclipse EDI, tools, rich client apps & ports." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:32:21 -0000 On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 08:06:07PM -0600, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 11:12:03AM -0800, Greg Lewis wrote: > > A good argument for this is that it has lead to things like the Eclipse > > plugin for PHP (insert any language other than Java) being in the java > > category. Thats just plain ridiculous in my view. > > My own feeling is that the 'java' physical category has not been a success. > People are too confused about where to put things. It's the only language- > specific physical category we have. Agreed. Its a mess. Stuff ends up in there just because its written in Java. Other equivalent ports (which may or may not be written in Java) end up in other categories. I wouldn't be sad to see it go. We could easily do something like have it as a virtual category ala perl, etc. and possibly also prefix port names with java- if people thought that was a good idea. > As for how/what on creating a new physical category, see > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/ports.html#AEN1529 > (it will also refer you to the relevant section of the Porter's Handbook). > > I think it's a fairly easy call to have 'eclipse' created as a virtual > category. There was a proposal a year or so ago to create some kind of > 'ide' physical category for Integrated Development Environments of > various kinds, but it quickly resulted in more controversy than anything > else. (IIRC I was against it at the time.) I'd want to see a complete > proposed list before we went in that direction. I don't believe a physical category is warranted, but I agree that a virtual category is pretty much a given if it were to move (or even if it didn't that makes some sense). > Mass category moves are stressful for our users IMHO, so we should only > use them if we really feel the hierarchy will be in much better shape > going forwards. So thats the big question. If we leave the category there it will continue to gather new ports despite our best intentions for what we want people to commit there. We know that this will cause confusion since it leaves users unsure of where they should look for certain ports. Do we think that level of confusion is a greater pain than the pain of gutting the category (either over time or in one hit). -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org