From owner-freebsd-java Wed Nov 20 9:59:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93E737B401 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:59:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay1.cris.net (relay1.cris.net [212.110.128.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441CD43E3B for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:59:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ml@phantom.cris.net) Received: from phantom.cris.net (root@phantom.cris.net [212.110.130.74]) by relay1.cris.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAKKhdqj062711; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:43:39 GMT Received: (from ml@localhost) by phantom.cris.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) id gAKHiIV8043506; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:44:18 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ml) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:44:18 +0200 From: Alexey Zelkin To: Jon Barber Cc: Matt Smith , java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IDEs Message-ID: <20021120194418.B43416@phantom.cris.net> References: <1037803230.1305.6.camel@d80h149.public.uconn.edu> <3DDB9FD5.1020704@acm.org> <1037804184.1305.8.camel@d80h149.public.uconn.edu> <1037803230.1305.6.camel@d80h149.public.uconn.edu> <3DDBA747.9070503@acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3DDBA747.9070503@acm.org>; from jon.barber@acm.org on Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 03:16:23PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, Almost agree with this point of view. Except one point -- from my expirience IDEA is very memory sentensive beast. But it allows it be much more fast and comfortable than JBuilder. ps: my personal HO, of course. On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 03:16:23PM +0000, Jon Barber wrote: > Matt Smith wrote: > > >Jon- > > Thanks for the FAST reply. I will check it out! Have you ever used > >Netbeans/Forte/Sun One Studio? Can you compare it to IntelliJ? > > > I've used both NetBeans & Forte, though not the most recent versions. > Never tried Sun One Studio, though I suspect this is Forte renamed ? > Anyway, I found them to be too heavy on system usage & do stuff I > didn't want. IDEA starts up pretty fast & seems light on resources, > which I like as I develop mainly on a laptop. > > IDEA has some very nice refactoring facilities. For example, it tells > you straight away what imports are redundant and can sort them out for > you. You can highlight a section of code within a method and extract > that selection to a new method, and IDEA will take care of generating > the signature etc. You can also use a class that has no correct import > at the top of the file & IDEA will try and work out which package it is > in. If it is correct you tell it so (by hitting ctrl+enter, I think) > and it inserts the import for you. > > I've worked on projects with 1000+ classes etc, and I would not hesitate > to use IDEA on them (we used JBuilder, which was perfectly OK, but IDEA > would have been better for me). > > IDEA is really a lightweight editor with neat refactoring and > intelligence about how to code java. The tag line is 'develop with > pleasure', and that certainly has been my experience. Well worth $399 > (I think). > > Jon. > > >-Matt > >On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 09:44, Jon Barber wrote: > > > > > >>IDEA by IntelliJ - Jehovah's own IDE : www.intellij.com > >>http://www.intellij.com/idea/ > >> > >>Seriously, I've been using IDEs for 6 years or so, and previously > >>JBuilder was my favourite, but IDEA is by far the best I have tried. > >> > >>Jon. > >> > >>Matt Smith wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>All- > >>> Are there certain IDEs you all use for Java coding? Of course, I > >>>expect vi, [x]emacs, jEdit, but how about complete environments? I have > >>>been using Netbeans 3.4 with good success under linux-sun-jdk1.3.1, but > >>>find that it crawls on my 1.8 GHz P4/512 MB RAM. So, I am wondering > >>>what you all use that might be faster, but still as "all-inclusive" as > >>>Netbeans. > >>> > >>>Thanks all, > >>>-Matt > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >>________________________________________________________________________ > >>This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan > >>service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working > >>around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com > >>________________________________________________________________________ > >> > >> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan > service. 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