From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 11 10:20:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BAEF16A4CE; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:20:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from sizone.org (mortar.sizone.org [65.126.154.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD72E43D48; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:20:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: by sizone.org (Postfix, from userid 66) id E7D9030743; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:20:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by canoe.dclg.ca (Postfix, from userid 101) id C741C1D1E67; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:20:53 -0500 (EST) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <16385.37893.652979.822920@canoe.dclg.ca> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:20:53 -0500 To: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <40008E4A.3060604@freebsd.org> References: <40007D14.6090205@freebsd.org> <40008E4A.3060604@freebsd.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 14) "Reasonable Discussion" XEmacs Lucid cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Future of RAIDFrame X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:20:58 -0000 >>>>> "Scott" =3D=3D Scott Long writes: Scott> Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: >> Scott Long writes: >>=20 >>> I started RAIDframe three years ago with the hope of bringing a >>> proven and extensible RAID stack to FreeBSD. >>=20 >>=20 >> I'm having trouble seeing what RF does that Vinum (or at least a >> properly GEOMified Vinum) can't do... >>=20 >> DES Scott> Please read the RAIDframe documents at Scott> http://www.pdl.cmu.edu/RAIDframe before you ask again. Having used Vinum is production and on home boxes for some time, and having come in contact with Raidframe on NetBSD several times, I would distill this to several points. - Vinum is fairly fragile and a number of operations have vastly non-obvious steps. - Vinum's support for different types of RAID is limited. - Vinum's abstractions don't work for more complex cases. That said, we need a strong and robust software raid. Dave. --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can only be = | |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if t= hey | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposit= e. | =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DGLO=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D