From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 6 18:36:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA7716A402 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:36:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C2D13C480 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:36:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c24so1107774ana for ; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:36:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KfVgsH5mWg1kd6xugcVcvwUWS/i9AnEC7cyECsqIN1D/o/xyVAnCuS5UFp9/fXSum0iTL+2lCfMVTgHlaZs8axDnHdVk8Q0DuL96m+WOG8A6Qbpbs/0wnRlIYuTXZ0SjuUF2tSTlVrsKXXyL4U6/QNYNad5XZy+sOl2VMvwFQow= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gMeYTcEVZS0i1F4WNye2DyT9w8WscYF95EEtT50Jne654ByKV8oa8GdEWBRC1MU6CWpf6cQzz/KrK6hRPk+RdnJ3ns7WcqZwD1RsarZ9imeyjW/Hc+MEnyMc5TctiezO8aX+oy0nAAWV6cvVdkqIUqGB2tWQykYteHFiXXiXeBY= Received: by 10.100.190.8 with SMTP id n8mr2256849anf.1175884591089; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.109.12 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:36:31 -0500 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "Scott Long" In-Reply-To: <46166A5E.3090009@samsco.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070405103708.GC842@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20070405.140109.39240822.imp@bsdimp.com> <20070406142326.GC6950@hoeg.nl> <20070406153500.GE6950@hoeg.nl> <46166A5E.3090009@samsco.org> Cc: FreeBSD Current , Ed Schouten Subject: Re: Do we need this junk? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:36:32 -0000 On 4/6/07, Scott Long wrote: > Ed Schouten wrote: > > * Nikolas Britton wrote: > >> On 4/6/07, Ed Schouten wrote: > >>> * Nikolas Britton wrote: > >>>> Well based on the stats I've posted maybe it's time to split FreeBSD > >>>> i386 into two platforms, one for embedded/legacy systems and one for > >>>> modern systems? The needs for each type of system are diametrically > >>>> opposed, and the modern ones make up the majority of deployed systems. > >>>> Perhaps FreeBSD i786 or IA32, with the minimum target being a > >>>> Willamette based Pentium 4, aka SSE2? > >>> So what's the practical advantage of that? That would only break stuff. > >>> Compiling a kernel without these options practically does the same > >>> thing. > >>> > >> Break what? > > > > Renaming a platform is the root of all evil. Think about the big amount > > of ports and source code that just check for $arch == "i386". That's the > > reason the i386 port is still named i386, though it doesn't even support > > i386 at all (got removed in 6.x). > > > >> The primary reason for doing this is optimization and simplification > >> of support / development. > > > > Indeed. You'll simplify development, because half of the developers is > > unable to run the bloody thing. Just run FreeBSD/amd64 if the legacy > > bits upset you. > > > > Better yet, there are plenty of hobby OS's like DragonFlyBSD that have > taken deliberate steps to remove "useless bits". I suggest Nikolas > dictate development practices to them instead of us. > Where is this coming from? I'm trying to debate some of the issues with FreeBSD and the only thing you've added to this thread is fuck off? Why?