From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 6 09:15:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB4A106564A for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 09:15:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF4548FC12 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 09:15:05 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAFKlkUvUnwYz/2dsb2JhbACcPrUdhHgEi00 Received: from pih-webmail01.servers.plus.net (HELO webmail.plus.net) ([212.159.6.51]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 06 Mar 2010 08:46:15 +0000 Received: from 212.159.115.167 (SquirrelMail authenticated user custompc) by webmail.plus.net with HTTP; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 08:46:16 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20100306044916.ce02523e.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20100305120021.52F79106566B@hub.freebsd.org> <20100306044916.ce02523e.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 08:46:16 -0000 From: "Graham Bentley" To: "Polytropon" User-Agent: SquirrelMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, admin@cpcnw.co.uk Subject: Re: Flash viewer for FBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: admin@cpcnw.co.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 09:15:06 -0000 > On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 23:02:36 -0000, "Graham Bentley" > wrote: >> >> > It looks very bad for browsing web without flash viewer. >> >> I think it looks great - no ads !!! Hurray !!! > > I may politely add that exactly this is the reason I removed > a working "Flash" support from my system. I rather like to > see empty "plug-in content" boxes instead of being annoyed by > "Flash" stuff that is mainly used for advertising. > > Have you noticed that "Flash" has taken the place of animated > GIFs, adding sound and providing nothing that couldn't be > done using existing standards? I'm sure you have. > > A growing part of today's "web designers" seem to have > accepted "Flash" as a replacement for valid HTML, and > even for invalid HTML. > > Have you ever heared of a modern web browser that forces > you to install, let's say, a plugin for viewing JPG images, > and this plugin is only available for an arbitrary chosen > subset of operating systems, and loaded with patents and > other cripple-stuff? And it forces you to have an up-to-date > computer, of course, with an expensive OS (free OSes are > out of scope already). And all the clever "web designers" > now replace their working sites with JPG - even the text > is given as a JPG image. And it is assumed that you have > the plugin installed. And of course, there's a new version > of the plugin every year. All this just to view a JPG > image. Could you imagine such a stupid situation? It's > so idiotic, but it's the reality. > > That's the situation with "Flash". And as I have experienced > it, I can honestly say that I'm fine without "Flash". I may > review my opinion, if given some reason to do so. > > But as it has already been mentioned, that's a very individual > decision, based upon likes and dislikes. > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > Points very well made. In fact shouldn't we be campaigning against such closed source perversion of our Open Standards Internet, not complaining that one company doesn't make a media content viewer for us? This is exactly why Stallman harks on about freedoms etc it almost feels pathetic; "Please Mr Adobe, we poor FreeBSD users don't have a flash viewer, please make one for us too" bleat bleat The only content I 'miss' is occasional utube vids ; No probs. Download as .flv and play with mplayer.