Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:44:09 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl <pauls@utdallas.edu> To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System Message-ID: <8B7776E2EBA2B5F1EEA02492@paul-schmehls-powerbook59.local> In-Reply-To: <47632BFE.6000801@brianwhalen.net> References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com> <B3A6C3A7E2071BE94F2EFA1E@utd59514.utdallas.edu> <200712140947.26972.david@vizion2000.net> <476301A8.4090009@FreeBSD.org> <476303A3.4010205@gmail.com> <20071214232706.GB812@menantico.com> <476322E3.4040106@paradise.net.nz> <47632BFE.6000801@brianwhalen.net>
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--On December 14, 2007 5:21:02 PM -0800 Brian <bri@brianwhalen.net> wrote: > > Information does indeed need to be gathered, and while even the ports > list will only grab a small percentage of FreeBSD users, other options > would likely grab a lot less. Plus, most of the users here are > knowledgeable enough to give decent input. For those of you that don't > like change may I suggest the book that led to > http://www.whomovedmycheese.com/. It is really in all of our best > interest to have the product evolve, the alternative is much worse. This really is getting quite irritating. Not one person on this list has=20 *ever* said they don't want to entertain new ideas for ports. Not one=20 person on this list has said they don't like change. *All* of the=20 complaints have been along the lines of "go write some code and stop=20 filling up this list with posts". And that is *precisely* the point. Yet the proponents of the Aryeh bandwagon keep throwing up this straw man=20 that those of us who have tired of the useless back and forth are refusing = to listen and uninterested in change, when *nothing* could be further from = the truth. ports@ is *not* a development list. Its purpose is to provide = news about ports, discuss problems with ports, get advice on porting and=20 so forth. Or, to quote its charter, "Discussions concerning FreeBSD's=20 =E2=80=9Cports collection=E2=80=9D (/usr/ports), ports infrastructure, and = general=20 ports coordination efforts. This is a technical mailing list for which=20 strictly technical content is expected." Get that? "Strictly technical". "How do you feel about the present=20 design" or "what don't you like about the present design" or "if you could = change something about ports, what would it be" are *not* appropriate=20 discussions for this list. It's time to move this "discussion" to some place where those that *care*=20 about coding and/or redesigning the ports system can participate and=20 discuss code and return this list to its original purpose. The only=20 FreeBSD list that would be appropriate (if that - it's not really) would=20 be arch, which is for architecture and design discussions. This thread is = a design discussion and does not belong here. Please move it to a more=20 appropriate place and leave this list alone. Ask the FreeBSD maintainers=20 to create a new list "ports-design@" if you like, but please stop the=20 discussions here. They are inappropriate for this list. And stop lying about the motivations of the many talented people who have=20 asked, politely and otherwise, to stop. Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/
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