From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 25 08:44:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B29537B401 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49AAC43FEC for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:44:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h5PFiCbr011432; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5PFiCnG011431; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:44:12 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: Dan Langille Message-ID: <20030625154412.GB9860@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20030625081018.GC3446@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <3EF983CC.11367.3F0939E6@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3EF983CC.11367.3F0939E6@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Ken Smith Subject: Re: DRAFT - DNS Admin Guide X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:44:15 -0000 On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 11:13:16AM -0400, Dan Langille wrote: > I may have a working example which will help. > > nz.freebsd.org is delgated to me. I look after DNS for everything > under that subdomain. I've been doing this for the about 4 or 5 > years I think. The only time I have to contact dsnadm@ is if I need > to change the IP address on my DNS server. Apart from that, I do > everything else. Granted, we have only one of www, cvsup, and > [sometimes] ftp, but it is an example. Perfect. Now, suppose a small University in your country comes online with an FTP server, they become ftp2.nz.freebsd.org. Their University Administration is content with them providing this sort of service but the University would not be willing to provide full-blown DNS service even if you asked them to. And now, heaven forbid (sorry but you volunteered to be an example), your company goes out of business. If we're strict about the country code thing this becomes a big ugly mess. Some other country's DNS folks might be able to step in and take over but how does the "organization" even begin to ask around for a replacement? How are the folks at the University informed? How does the next site at a different University, again willing to provide FTP mirror service but not DNS, figure out who to talk to? Under the proposal nz.freebsd.org simply gets sucked back in to the central administration and life goes on with zero other stuff needing to happen. The University had already been told that their primary contact was the Mirror Site Coordinator. So, is the benefit of having things being managed on a country code level worth all of the (I admit completely - *potential*) messes these sorts of scenarios can cause? Jun had asked for a concrete DNS Admin Guide, factoring in all of the uncertainties these sorts of situations could cause (there are lots more similarish scenarios I was able to dream up :-) along with other factors (e.g. above situation of a University being willing to provide ftp but not DNS, and them being inside of a country currently not delegated) my guess was the administrative overhead of that much delegation cost way too much as compared to the benefits it could provide. But it was a huge guess. I could post the whole train of thought that lead to the Draft but you guys complain about how long the Draft was... :-) Alternatively I could post things in smaller chunks, leading slowly from one thing to another and opening it up to discussion that way. Or I can just shut up and let someone else do this stuff... What would be best? -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel |