From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 6 20:02:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13936 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:02:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA13864 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:01:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA25160; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:31:36 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA04661; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:31:22 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981007123122.O27781@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:31:22 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Eivind Eklund , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dos and Don'ts References: <19981006071237.02443@follo.net> <19981006155341.C27781@freebie.lemis.com> <19981006083809.00946@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19981006083809.00946@follo.net>; from Eivind Eklund on Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 08:38:09AM +0200 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 6 October 1998 at 8:38:09 +0200, Eivind Eklund wrote: > On Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 03:53:41PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Tuesday, 6 October 1998 at 7:12:38 +0200, Eivind Eklund wrote: >>> Dos and Don'ts of FreeBSD >>> ------------------------- >>> >>> DON'T run pppd unless you either >>> (a) already have a working setup, or >>> (b) absolutely need the 2% reduction of CPU usage it will give >>> you. >> >> Why this? With all respect for Brian, I've found pppd to be more >> reliable. > > Because it often lead to a large amount of pain (in setup), especially > when somebody get the idea that they want to use NAT. In the cases > where there are problems with iij-ppp, my impression is it usually get > fixed pretty quickly (personally, I've never had a problem except when > I've been hacking the code myself, so I can't give more than a > second-hand impression). OK. I had to go through installing both in painful detail for my book. Everybody has always said "don't use Kernel PPP, it's painful", but I didn't find it so. In fact, the difficulty of installation is about equal. What *is* deficient is the documentation. I had some problems with user PPP a little over a year ago: when the line dropped, it was impossible to reconnect. This turned out to be a problem with the other end, but it showed up a bug in user PPP: it didn't honour the redial interval or count. On one occasion the line dropped at about 2 am, and by the time I found out it had clocked up about $135 worth of phone calls. I moved (quickly and painlessly) to kernel PPP, and since it works, I've been using it ever since. Note also that most PPP problems reported to -questions are for user PPP, not kernel PPP. This is almost certainly because most people try user PPP, but it does suggest that this rule is unnecessary. Basically, I think there are some things here that tend to the religious. How about this one: DON'T use vi or ee, use Emacs, the One True Editor. ee is wimpy, and vi is impossible to use. The sendmail/exim rule definitely belongs in the same category. >>> DON'T send questions about anything (beyond the exceptions noted >>> above) to any mailing list you are not a member of and have >>> read for at least two days. >> >> This sounds funny, like you want them to be a member and not have read >> it for two days. > > Is this better? > > DON'T send questions about anything (beyond the exceptions noted > above) to any mailing list you have not read at least two days > of traffic from. Yes, this implies you should be or have been > a member. I suppose so. We have a policy that non-members can post to -questions; how would you factor that in ("you're allowed to, but it's better not to"). Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message