From owner-freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 9 10:24:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272CF1065697 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:24:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from heiner_ej@yahoo.de) Received: from n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com (n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com [68.142.237.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B714C8FC16 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:24:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from heiner_ej@yahoo.de) Received: from [68.142.230.29] by n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2009 10:24:54 -0000 Received: from [69.147.75.190] by t2.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2009 10:24:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp106.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2009 10:24:54 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 52987.72841.bm@omp106.mail.re1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 31200 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 10:18:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.de; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Subject:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Date:Message-Id:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0iG9Fk+CyE4d5j6cnMKWobe3FUAJxT2WRvWcNEAF77EtbMLmyicRnFtBz/VxBroNzRqrzMc5rbuHXSBZ+zcpwaGbSa+D89jSmTYeDJiFwz/ydCdr2VGUsRTfbS7gRR4GDdHgSCberUxPgLq1qfijIwE58IOmWr+yEa3tIwY06t8= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.104?) (heiner_ej@84.144.105.97 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 10:18:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 4oilbwSswBDbRLHb6R1gRRq37n8E1w-- X-YMail-OSG: mrhpsQ8VM1lJAxNf5gcLi57sKJxKncH3kyQjLuGdcG_ywe1f6LRku2RFHnVCVD3YkppTWQ1LoMHGuYivVSrtehOhlHXPL0_nBmfNmxKbLnTReFizZ.c7irTGfIDVDSx5aTDKbn0jAs5giJG875a_Pano5HdYpIAZZGF3.l7RSQ8vgzEd6cBKXxKb8v2jaVYK8i795P.W5gOrTbIwC8KBN6Jeo_4UUFPsGxEn2YPv7NgLV1hT3DgHdcfRcenGurPihc6IskDZanauw0i9Q..3ool1ihyIdjGeESRFADjQURAv1BULegp9 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: Heiner =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Strau=DF?= To: FreeBSD Eclipse mailing list In-Reply-To: <20090629234611.GB24986@keira.kiwi-computer.com> References: <200906290700.n5T70AQQ020741@freefall.freebsd.org> <1246272143.1356.19.camel@think.my.domain> <20090629234611.GB24986@keira.kiwi-computer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:18:07 +0200 Message-Id: <1247134687.1113.6.camel@think.ip> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: ports/133457: [PATCH] java/eclipse-webtools: update to 3.0.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD users of eclipse EDI, tools, rich client apps & ports." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:24:55 -0000 Am Montag, den 29.06.2009, 18:46 -0500 schrieb Rick C. Petty: > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:42:23PM +0200, Heiner Strauß wrote: > > Am Montag, den 29.06.2009, 07:00 +0000 schrieb Gerhard Schmidt: > > > > > > Updates via eclipse updater are per user updates (stored in homedir of th= > > > e > > > User). The port is per Computer (stored in /usr/local). I maintain some > > > Workstations with 200+ users. > > > > > > Please keep the Port. > > > > That's a point. But someone has to keep them in sync with eclipse, > > testing and committing etc. If they are kept like now, they are adding > > more confusion and no help I think. It took me hours to find out what > > was wrong with them and how to fix :) Drop them or maintain. The actual > > webtools are 3.0.4 already. Maybe for bigger installs we could have an > > eclipse-plugin-mirror port or something, if you want a server centric > > install. > > I disagree with the OP. You can drop the user-installed plugins directly > into /usr/local/eclipse/ with a modicum of effort. You can network mount > that directory to avoid updating every machine too. In fact you can even > have multiple versions of eclipse installed and run side-by-side with a > little effort. I've played with modifications to my /usr/local/bin/eclipse > script to do just that. > > There's absolutely no reason we should have any eclipse-* ports since every > one of them is obtainable through eclipse's plugin architecture and > software updates screens. It's especially painful if there are multiple > supported eclipse versions in the ports tree. I hope that the OP's not > suggesting that we create thousands of ports, one for each of Eclipse's > 1200+ plugins times each version of Eclipse. Even if he were to volunteer > to be the maintainer for each, it seems silly to have the plugins as ports. > Although there is some precedence with p5-* ports (instead of using CPAN > exclusively). > > In fact I've had troubles with many of the fbsd ports but all of them seem > to behave when I grab them with Eclipse's updater. > > -- Rick C. Petty Can't we mark the eclipse-* ports at least as DEPRECATED ? They are confusing new Eclipse users and wasting a lot of time. Most of them haven't got a maintainer and are hopelessly outdated. Greetings, Heiner