From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 25 05:28:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F0616A406 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:28:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from outI.internet-mail-service.net (outI.internet-mail-service.net [216.240.47.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B2413C447 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:28:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from mx0.idiom.com (HELO idiom.com) (216.240.32.160) by out.internet-mail-service.net (qpsmtpd/0.40) with ESMTP; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:28:32 -0800 Received: from julian-mac.elischer.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by idiom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83223127346; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:28:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47C2520C.5080100@elischer.org> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:28:44 -0800 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Meyer References: <20080223123556.3eee709d@bhuda.mired.org> <20080223.110047.-397883947.imp@bsdimp.com> <20080223131937.182373b2@bhuda.mired.org> <20080223.120546.74701383.imp@bsdimp.com> <20080223155355.3f80b77f@bhuda.mired.org> In-Reply-To: <20080223155355.3f80b77f@bhuda.mired.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: find -lname and -ilname implemented X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:28:33 -0000 Mike Meyer wrote: > > What's ridiculous? That the only limit is the developers definition of > "trivial"? Care to provide another one? That OS X turned /bin/sh into > bash? I'd agree that that's ridiculous, except it's a fact. That they > did it to make OS X more compatible with Linux? Would you like me to > try and dig up the mail from jkh (I'm pretty sure it was him) that > says that's why they did it? > > I suspect your definition of "long tradition" is a lot shorter than > mine. That's they only way I can make that statement make sense - at > least the part about BSD and other Unix vendors. It's been in my tradition for Unix developement since 1986 when I first joined comp.unix anyhow, I think this is silly. If you saw what Warner and others have to do to in battling the Linux hordes, you'd also be looking to remove all the trivial complaints that are made as excuses to not use BSD. I think that we have to make a conscious decision as a project to acknowledge the position we find ourselves in WRT 3rd party software and make moves to lower the barriers to entry as much as we can. for what it's worth I'm solidly with Warner on this one. > >