From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 27 03:35:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541E716A4CE for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 03:35:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DDC143D2F for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 03:35:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdfsse@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.0.28] (ool-43532b7b.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.43.123]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I4O000FNKN52D@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:35:38 -0400 From: bsdfsse In-reply-to: <4157716F.5080408@daleco.biz> To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." Message-id: <41578A8A.3030504@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <415766F7.3070301@optonline.net> <4157716F.5080408@daleco.biz> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Do I upgrade from 5.x to anything ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 03:35:30 -0000 Hi Kevin, I'm not sure the best way to intersperse my comments, but I deleted some of my original text to make this reply more concise. Sorry if that makes this confusing, let me know if thats not the ideal way of emailing on a list: >> computers doesn't work with it. Apparently FreeBSD 4.x doesn't like >> the Asus motherboard's HD controller, and I constantly get disk >> errors. HOWEVER, 5.x seems to work fine. > > Seems strange, but not impossible. I read that the dreaded "Signal 11" that I have been getting is something the developers are looking for reproducible examples of. I will try to get some specifics on what I'm seeing. > Same story. But you don't need to install both "cvsup" and > "cvsup-without-gui". Unless you've just > gotta have eye candy, just install the nogui version and run it in an > xterm or something ... or an Ok, cool. I was installing them both for good measure. I will only install the no-gui one now. > Well, you don't need to cvsup *src* to get your ports up to date. Your > ports tree would need to > be updated, and then reinstall those ports. Or use portupgrade ... I need to read up on this. I've been updating everything in one fell swoop, thanks for point this out. I had it stuck in my head that the ports and kernel had to be upgraded together. > And the ports tree is the same for everybody. You always cvsup CURRENT > ports .... INTERESTING. I did not know that. I thought when I installed FreeBSD 4-RELEASE from CD, it had an old (7.3) version of Firefox. After I did my update everything ritual, I was able to get the latest one (9.3). I need to better understand that process. > If you have 5.3BETA, run it, and cvsup/makebuildworld, etc next month. > Not a problem AFAIK. Now, One of the reasons I am running 4.x is because a friend of mine is going to run a website on FreeBSD, and we are learning about it together. Since he heard that he should run a website on 4.x, we decided to run it exclusively. The only gotcha that has been encountered was *my* server not liking 4.x. Should my friend be running 5.x? He is going to be using Apache, PHP, and MySQL. He doesn't want to get hacked, basically. > An understanding of the RELEASE tags might help. That information > is in the Handbook, Chapter 19 IIRC, "The Cutting Edge". I need to keep rereading that section until it sinks in better. > You should be able to modify the stable-supfile to grab RELENG_5 instead > of RELENG_4, this would get you to "BETA3", methinks (haven't checked I will check that out. > For ports, use /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile when you cvsup. > You may also want to install portupgrade (/usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade), > although there were problems with it a few days ago; I think they're fixed > now, caveat emptor and YMMV and all that .... I haven't used portupgrade yet, but I keep hearing about it. I keep going in to /usr/ports/ and running "make install clean" on everything. My friend said I might need to run "make config", but I didn't see where I would know if that needed to be done. There was a problem with RUBY the other day, that honked up one my upgrade rituals I was performing. There was a fix using "portindexdb", I think, which I also think was then removed from the /usr/port/ tree. When I installed GNOME2 on my laptop, I used pkg_add to install the binary, so it wouldn't compile for 14 hours. That worked great, and GNOME2 was running in about 10 minutes. I will focus on the RELEASE/CURRENT/STABLE designations. Maybe my friend will move to 5.x, but prolly not since his system is almost fully functional on 4.x. Thanks!