From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 17:06:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529B9106566B for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:06:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@mxcrypt.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E74B8FC12 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so2530412vws.13 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:06:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.194.1 with SMTP id dw1mr3716473vcb.179.1297616781993; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:06:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.77.85 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:05:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110213164748.GB60459@guilt.hydra> References: <4D56799D.13036.2335C99A@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> <20110213073814.GC57674@guilt.hydra> <20110213092353.GA58281@guilt.hydra> <20110213073801.65518b9c@scorpio> <20110213131051.00001ebf@unknown> <20110213085805.72f0132d@scorpio> <20110213164748.GB60459@guilt.hydra> From: Maxim Khitrov Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:05:51 -0500 Message-ID: To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:06:23 -0000 On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 08:58:05AM -0500, Jerry wrote: >> On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:10:51 +0000 >> Bruce Cran articulated: >> >> > On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:38:01 -0500 >> > Jerry wrote: >> > >> > > Despite all of the rubbish the FOSS community >> > > has spewed for over 10 years, OpenOffice is nothing more than a poor >> > > clone of Office 97. The newly released "libreoffice" might be usable >> > > someday; however, it is now only in its infancy. There is no way it >> > > can be compared to a full blown MS Office 10 suite. >> > >> > For some, Office is unusable due to the new Ribbon interface and >> > libreoffice is the usable office suite due to its familiar menus. >> >> New, as in four years old? That is one of the worst straw man arguments >> I have heard in a while. In any case, In 2008 OpenOffice.org started >> the project Renaissance to improve the user interface of OpenOffice. So >> far the prototypes of the project are frequently seen as similar to the >> ribbon interface. > > I do not think you understand the term "straw man" as used in reference > to a logical fallacy. =C2=A0A straw man fallacy involves using a distract= ion > in place of a valid argument, supplanting someone else's argument with > this distraction, attributing it to that other person for the sake of > attacking it rather than the argument that other person actually made. > How, exactly, does the comment about the ribbon fit that definition at > all? > > >> >> Obviously, the use and customization of any software is a personal >> experience. However, if the use of the "ribbon" is beyond your >> abilities, and I am assuming that you are aware that the "ribbon" can >> be hidden, modified and that there are many "add-ons" available that >> can be used to manage it, then so be it. I would rather work with an >> application with a minor annoyance, and I do not find the "ribbon" to be >> one, then to use a less robust application. Again, it is up to the end >> user to ascertain their requirements and find the tool that is best >> fitted to that job. > > "Beyond your abilities" is a better example of a straw man fallacy, since > I don't think anyone here said "Use of the ribbon is beyond my > abilities," or anything even remotely equivalent to that. > > >> >> In any case, I am quite confident that your condemnation of the >> "ribbon" is totally based on your reading of Slashdot and other similar >> documents and not from any personal experience. > > Interfaces that change without a consistent use model being presented to > the user -- as is the case with all but the most basic, unsophisticated > users who are presented with the ribbon -- have long been recognized as a > failure of usability design, and for good reason. =C2=A0This is why the w= ords > "consisten navigation" are so important in Web design circles. > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Can you guys please take Microsoft bashing elsewhere? This thread is about FreeBSD and SSDs - a topic I'd like to hear more about from people with first-hand experience in running such setup. - Max