From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Jan 12 19:35:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.cybersurf.net (smtp2.cybersurf.net [209.197.145.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E68BB14BEF for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:35:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from 01031149@3web.net) Received: from webserver ([209.197.158.26]) by smtp2.cybersurf.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id FO98R400.8W4; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:37:52 -0700 Message-ID: <004901bf5d77$5b5d5d40$759cc5d1@webserver> From: "Duke Normandin" <01031149@3web.net> To: "Salvo Bartolotta" Cc: Subject: Re: Networking Diagram Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:29:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: Salvo Bartolotta To: Duke Normandin <01031149@3web.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 2:43 PM Subject: Re: Networking Diagram >as you can see, people often ask questions *without* even browsing the >freebsd site, trying "man name_of_the_thing" etc. >some of them don't even bother to read Grog's excellent FreeBSD Guide. >BTW, I have seldom seen a more useful and pleasant book ;-) >however, sometimes, the available resources *are* incomplete or >insufficient; which requires a little "trial and error" and "asking >the -questions list" :-) What you say is of course true and *reasonable*. Freebsddiary.org and freebsd.org has seen a lot of me lately! The Pedantic PPP Primer is well done! However, let's suppose that you *needed* to track-down a faulty electrical component in your fancy Ferrari ;-)) - && - that you were a top-cabin FBSD guru *but* a novice, albeit gutsy, automotive tinkerer. Would you not agree that spending an hour or so reviewing your Ferrari's electrical system diagram to be *more* beneficial at the *onset* of your diagnosis / study? You will of course need to "man ferrari_shop_manual" ;^) eventually, for the down-and-dirty "nuts-&-bolts" of your endeavor. I've spent 17 years as Manager of the Internal Audit Dept. for a major Oil & Gas Company. Often, it our interaction with the Systems Analysts in our IS Dept. , flowcharts were produced, for not only software applicable to our on-going EDP audit, but for inter /intra -departmental methologies and procedures. Of course there was the Policies and Procedures Manuals (man pages) for the groddy details -- which my staff *had* to read and be familiar with. However, there is _*nothing*_ like a diagram or flowchart to make a point *quickly* and *precisely* -- especially for novices. That has been my experience!! Oil & Gas Process Engineers used Gas Plant Diagrams and "bluelines" when discussing their "network" of pipes and valves and processes. The rookie engineer with his "Engineering HandBook" review the diagrams and _understand_ what's going on in front of him! I have to conclude that such an instructional tool doesn't exist (yet) in the FBSD community and that the topic is moot. If and when I get up to speed on this stuff, that will be my first contribution to the cause. I should say second constructive contribution, because I responded to a request concerning the make-up of a"cross-over" cable sometime ago. I simply attached to my post a copy of a "diagram" of such a cable. This diagram was part of the Ethernet tutorial that I spoke of in my previous post. The recipient was tickled pink at not having to "merely" read about it - and - I was glad that I had it saved for future reference. Get my point....? Thanks for your thoughts.... -duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message