From owner-freebsd-testing@freebsd.org Sun Nov 15 13:14:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-testing@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E58A27FF5 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 13:14:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.contact@marino.st) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544FF1A7D for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 13:14:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.contact@marino.st) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 52539A27FF1; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 13:14:46 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: testing@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D1FA27FF0; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 13:14:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.contact@marino.st) Received: from shepard.synsport.net (mail.synsport.com [208.69.230.148]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24C7C1A7C; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 13:14:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.contact@marino.st) Received: from [192.168.1.22] (210.Red-81-38-187.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [81.38.187.210]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by shepard.synsport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB3C43BB2; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 07:14:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Need help fixing failing locale tests To: Andrey Chernov , marino@freebsd.org, Baptiste Daroussin References: <69242BD8-9010-47F0-9706-BE206376ECEA@gmail.com> <289892B6-EACE-4BDA-B838-D3DC750319DE@gmail.com> <56482FA9.2010803@marino.st> <56487973.5070803@freebsd.org> <20151115124656.GB93991@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <564880FA.5000009@freebsd.org> <564882A3.7060109@marino.st> <5648842E.3050203@freebsd.org> Cc: NGie Cooper , Craig Rodrigues , freebsd-current Current , "freebsd-testing@freebsd.org" Reply-To: marino@freebsd.org From: John Marino Message-ID: <5648853F.2050901@marino.st> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 14:14:39 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5648842E.3050203@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-testing@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Testing on FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 13:14:46 -0000 On 11/15/2015 2:10 PM, Andrey Chernov wrote: >> Well, there is "harm". The -1/-15 confusion happens a lot. > > It is user confusion and his responsibility. It not leads to wrong > program build f.e. Moreover, you can't protect users who set 8859-1 that > way, they do not convert to 8859-15 as you assume but start to complain > everywhere that FreeBSD is not working instead. Invalid. "locale -a" shows what locales are available. The confusion is not with one user. It's with one user that produces document in one encoding and a second user that choses the wrong one (usually -1). -15 was designed to replace -1. OpenBSD removed ISO8859* completely. > >> Is the plan to keep every locale ever created for ever and ever? Never >> do any kind of kind of cleanup or reorg? > > It will be nice to do it that way. FreeBSD have a little part of world > locales, which indirectly assumes that they are really used. Also invalid. Locales are not standardized with regard to encoding, so maintaining a museum of locales is specific to FreeBSD. Linux calls them differently. John