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Date:      Tue, 20 Oct 2015 15:28:34 -0700
From:      Bryan Drewery <bdrewery@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru>
Cc:        John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>, 'freebsd-arch' <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Retiring in-tree GDB
Message-ID:  <5626C012.5050009@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <20151020222720.GA6469@zxy.spb.ru>
References:  <2678091.es0AGJQ0Ou@ralph.baldwin.cx> <5626B15C.4080408@FreeBSD.org> <20151020215008.GH42243@zxy.spb.ru> <5626BCB6.3000202@FreeBSD.org> <20151020222720.GA6469@zxy.spb.ru>

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On 10/20/2015 3:27 PM, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 03:14:14PM -0700, Bryan Drewery wrote:
>=20
>> On 10/20/2015 2:50 PM, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 02:25:48PM -0700, Bryan Drewery wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/20/2015 1:36 PM, John Baldwin wrote:
>>>>> However, I would like to propose that we retire the in-tree GDB for=
 some of
>>>>> our platforms (namely x86) for 11.  In particular, I think we shoul=
d default
>>>>
>>>> Disabling/removing gdb. Definitely. It is unusable in many cases and=
 the
>>>> working gdb is just a 'pkg install' away.
>>>>
>>>>> to enabling lldb and disabling gdb for platforms that meet the foll=
owing
>>>>
>>>> Why should we include lldb in the base system? It is not needed to b=
uild
>>>> or use the system and we can easily provide one from packages.
>>>>
>>>> Arguments about providing a default working system don't work here f=
or
>>>> me as we don't provide perl, python, valgrind, vim, emacs, X11, etc.=
  We
>>>> can provide lldb and gdb on the default DVD though.
>>>>
>>>> If we are actually going to "package base" in 11, we should not be
>>>> adding new things into base that can easily live in ports. Yes, I kn=
ow
>>>> lldb is already there but I don't think it should be.
>>>>
>>>> Can the same be said for tools such as truss, ktrace or nvi? Sure. T=
he
>>>> discussion is really "what packages should be installed by default".=

>>>> The answer should be "what all, or most, users _need_" Do most users=

>>>> need a debugger? I don't think so.
>>>
>>> When you need debuger you may don't have way to install it.
>>>
>>
>> How did you get a system?
>>
>> DVD? 'pkg add /mnt/cd/packages/gdb.txz'
>> Network? 'pkg install gdb'
>>
>> Fetching the packages to a USB drive from another system works too usi=
ng
>> 'pkg fetch -o'.
>=20
> You talk about healty system.
> System may be semi-broken and need some assistance to r/w mount, for
> example.
>=20

How does that relate to gdb?

I can only read your example as suggesting we need a /rescue/gdb too.

--=20
Regards,
Bryan Drewery


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