From owner-freebsd-current Fri Dec 10 21:54:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (castles536.castles.com [208.214.165.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452F814E7E for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:54:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00518; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:57:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199912110557.VAA00518@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Stephen McKay Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired! In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:03:19 +1000." <199912110503.PAA01950@nymph.detir.qld.gov.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:57:17 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Friday, 10th December 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > > >The same mentality that made the CAM cutover a "debacle" is making the > >ata cutover a "debacle". > > This "mentality" might be an unavoidable part of human nature. I found That was my musing in the next paragraph. > my first reaction was "How dare they take away something I have now?!" > and it took some careful thinking to see that my loss was actually very > small against future benefits. It might be that these things have to be > predicted by -core and handled "touchy feely" like: Core isn't typically involved in these decisions, nor should it be. I also raised the point you make here when I said that it'd have been nice for the parties responsible for the change to soften the blow a bit. > >Fortunately, the CAM folks persisted despite the criticism, and I'm glad > >to see that Soren is taking the same stance. > > Not everything improved with CAM. Personally I'm only receiving the > benifits of CAM now, about a year after it replaced the old system. > On the balance it has been good for FreeBSD, but you have to remember > that there will be small pockets of users that will get the short end > of the stick. How the project deals with the losers in these deals is > important for its long term health. It's more how the losers deal with the project, to be honest. There has to be a way to make them realise that it's not reasonable to expect everyone else to live in pain just because they (think they) are still comfortable. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message