Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:15:34 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= <Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no> To: RW <rwmaillists@googlemail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updating and displaying CMOS clock Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1407071514130.11883@mail.fig.ol.no> In-Reply-To: <20140707130816.32fd9af2@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <20140706153206.GA46262@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20140707130816.32fd9af2@gumby.homeunix.com>
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On Mon, 7 Jul 2014 13:08+0100, RW wrote: > On Sun, 6 Jul 2014 22:32:07 +0700 > Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > > And no, contrary to popular belief, the correction of the CMOS clock > > does not happen automatically in FreeBSD even if ntpd is running. > > Are you sure about that? That used to be the case, but I thought it was > fixed in 10-CURRENT. > > I haven't set my hardware clock manually in more than a year, and it's > out by less than a second. Check out /etc/crontab and the execution of adjkerntz(8). -- +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Vennlig hilsen, | Best regards, | | Trond Endrestøl, | Trond Endrestøl, | | IT-ansvarlig, | System administrator, | | Fagskolen Innlandet, | Gjøvik Technical College, Norway, | | tlf. mob. 952 62 567, | Cellular...: +47 952 62 567, | | sentralbord 61 14 54 00. | Switchboard: +47 61 14 54 00. | +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 7 13:21:09 2014 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24471388 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 13:21:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from blue.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFDEE2441 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 13:21:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.7/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s67DL4cu004406; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:21:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <53BA9EC0.9000201@qeng-ho.org> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 14:21:04 +0100 From: Arthur Chance <freebsd@qeng-ho.org> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The name "grep" References: <20140707075443.d47ca06a.freebsd@edvax.de> <53BA4F77.60907@qeng-ho.org> <20140707104403.5a0694ff.freebsd@edvax.de> <53BA71A7.9040208@qeng-ho.org> <1404728392.19389.1.camel@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <1404728392.19389.1.camel@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/>; List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 13:21:09 -0000 On 07/07/2014 11:19, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 11:08 +0100, Arthur Chance wrote: >> It's of historical interest, but 30+ years down the line > > It still matters as a mnemonic. Everybody understands that "mv" is for > "move". But "grep"? Most of all I like "dd", reminds me of 2001's HAL, > abcd ... hijklm ... yvz, it's negated by the filmmakers, but anyway ... > ^^ ^^ ^^ ... obviously IBM. dd is probably the Unix command I hate most (even though I use it a lot), just as I hated the original DD directive (and all the rest of JCL) back in the days when I had to use it. There were far better ways of doing things even then. I've always wondered what the original writer of dd was on when he perpetrated that act of madness. There was Unix, with a relatively clear way of doing things involving -x style options and simple file names and then, ooh, I know what it needs, an invasive alien directive imported from the Big Blue universe, totally unlike anything else in the system. It really should have been dd [options] [ infile [ outfile ]] with the options controlling block sizes, conversions, etc.
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