From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 26 09:18:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A40222F for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 09:18:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias.andree@gmx.de) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8E7D2170 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 09:18:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mandree.no-ip.org ([92.228.134.67]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MOwY7-1VehNW0Gr1-006PAS for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 11:18:49 +0200 Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost6.localdomain6 [IPv6:::1]) by apollo.emma.line.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B60823DE54 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 11:18:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <526B88F7.3090607@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 11:18:47 +0200 From: Matthias Andree User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newcons comming References: <20131025151847.2a1b83de93335040797ceaf1@ddteam.net> In-Reply-To: <20131025151847.2a1b83de93335040797ceaf1@ddteam.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:HrkTUhcXMa3NG0n/c4eRq47chxYgx42HNzSJRMMyS3xrPzrmwQW oXL4RlTRJ86ZFXvPORZsZShD1YuP9Wb8qZ9B38o+819XgTP6MnlBwOjBrbHQ4Pn6Azc234g iMoAOxL4rof6ZCxRzmNPZNDaN9Jkyyz0WcuFGEbSxZYBiMuQEDD89bMUTnRTOVOfBl/fOBH 5WywFhKog52H3FmN8szLg== X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 09:18:51 -0000 Am 25.10.2013 14:18, schrieb Aleksandr Rybalko: > Hello fellow hackers! > > I finally reach the point when I can work with newcons instead of > syscons on my laptop. Yes, I know it still buggy and have a lot of > style(9) problems. But we really have to get it into HEAD and 10.0 to > enable shiny new Xorg features, drivers, etc. > > So I ask everyone to look "hard" into that[1] and tell me your opinion. > I expect a lot of opinions, since it have to affect almost all good > guys, as result I have to ask to split "bug reports" into two parts: It should only get in a "stable" (10/STABLE) version when it is solid, stable, and free of known bugs. Thus, please have it matured in 11/HEAD for now, and merge when it's ready. If that means going a point release with older xorg stuff, then we have to live with that. Especially if I read further down the thread that newer xorg depends on newcons - there would be no way back for xorg should more serious issues come up (and we cannot possibly test everything on the developer's end - some things will only come up as users upgrade/install from 10.0-RELEASE DVDs), which is a bigger risk. Rather old xorg with known issues, than random regressions that might leave us with a new xorg but _newly_ does not work at all for users, without any other way to go back but "use 9.2".