From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 28 13:24:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.acns.ab.ca (mail.acns.ab.ca [142.179.151.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1561F37B417 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:24:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from colnta.acns.ab.ca (colnta.acns.ab.ca [192.168.1.2]) by mail.acns.ab.ca (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SLOdV18965; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:24:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from davidc@colnta.acns.ab.ca) Received: (from davidc@localhost) by colnta.acns.ab.ca (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g0SLOde66630; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:24:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from davidc) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:24:39 -0700 From: Chad David To: Nate Williams Cc: "M. Warner Losh" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Transmissions :) Was: Firewall config non-intuitiveness Message-ID: <20020128142439.I66369@colnta.acns.ab.ca> References: <1617.216.153.202.59.1012240332.squirrel@www1.27in.tv> <20020128192930.GA86720@student.uu.se> <15445.44102.288461.155113@caddis.yogotech.com> <20020128.131414.49257581.imp@village.org> <15445.45720.514136.887062@caddis.yogotech.com> <20020128135603.G66369@colnta.acns.ab.ca> <15445.48220.670641.705228@caddis.yogotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15445.48220.670641.705228@caddis.yogotech.com>; from nate@yogotech.com on Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 02:02:20PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 02:02:20PM -0700, Nate Williams wrote: > [ This is getting way off topic, so I've moved this to -chat ] > > > > > : If I enable the clutch in my car, my car moves (assuming it's in gear). > > > > : If I disable it, the power is no longer going to the drive wheels. > > > > > > > > That's not quite right, but it is a good analogy. If you disable your > > > > clutch, then you are going to have to shift without it and deal with > > > > putting it into gear at stops. > > > > > > Unfortunately, you can't do it w/out a clutch. (At least, not without > > > tearing your clutch/transmission to bits). > > > > No true :). While at a stop a clutch is a good idea, you can avoid > > ware on a number of parts if you learn to shift without clutch while > > moving. > > Actually, the wear you save on the clutch (which is designed for this) > will be translated to the gears in the transmission. Very few (!!) > people are capable of shifting w/out a clutch and *NOT* doing damage to > the gears. I actually know a lot of people who are capable, but growing up in a family of farmers and mechanics, and spending most of my recreational time at the race track I may not be "normal". > > Hence the reason for a clutch. Agreed :). > > > On smaller four and five speed transmissions (or bikes)this is > > actually quite easy... on 3 ton grain trucks and tractors its a little > > more tricky. > > Actually, on grain trucks it's *easier*. (Speaking with 15 years of > experience driving them. :) :) :) > > On the smaller cars, the synchro-mesh setup on the gears makes it *much* > harder to do it cleanly, while on big grain trucks and bikes, it's > easier since they don't add such things since they are mostly > un-necessary. (And, not using a clutch is more common.) Now you bring synchro-mesh into the picture :). I didn't mean that you couldn't do it in a truck, its just that you have to be careful. We had an old 3 ton where reverse was up and right (where third should be (3rd was right between 1st and reverse)). I used to always go 1st... 2nd... hard stop! Newer machines just don't let you have fun like that. -- Chad David davidc@acns.ab.ca www.FreeBSD.org davidc@freebsd.org ACNS Inc. Calgary, Alberta Canada Fourthly, The constant breeders, beside the gain of eight shillings sterling per annum by the sale of their children, will be rid of the charge of maintaining them after the first year. - Johnathan Swift To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message