From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 3 09:41:22 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A1A16A419 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 09:41:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sat@cenkes.org) Received: from heka.cenkes.org (heka.cenkes.org [208.79.80.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE5C13C455 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 09:41:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sat@cenkes.org) Received: from amilo.cenkes.org (ppp85-141-134-135.pppoe.mtu-net.ru [85.141.134.135]) (Authenticated sender: sat) by heka.cenkes.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65911242F82F; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:41:20 +0300 (MSK) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:41:14 +0300 From: Andrew Pantyukhin To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Message-ID: <20071203094112.GA36135@amilo.cenkes.org> References: <4752827F.20902@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4752827F.20902@gmail.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT amd64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC/P] Port System Re-Engineering X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: infofarmer@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:41:22 -0000 On Sun, Dec 02, 2007 at 05:01:35AM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > As has been hashed out in -ports@ over the last few days there is at > least a need to examine weither or not the current ports system should > remain as is or potentially be re-engineered in the future (estimates > if and when needed vary from ASAP to 10-15 years). I have > volunteered to undertake a feasibility/pilot project to examine what > changes (if any) are needed in the system (for the purposes of this > thread I will not venture any of my own suggestions). I have the > following broad questions for people: You would have saved the community a couple of expensive bikesheds (and more to come, as usual) if you had cared to do some research. All of the questions you ask have already been answered hundreds of times on mailing lists over the years. By starting the cycle anew, I'm afraid, you're only contributing to the problem. There are heaps of papers on package management out there. Look for answers there and you will find them. Most of us have our own engineering demons, who breed Napoleonic plans in our heads - to solve every problem in a perfect way. The sooner we learn to control them, the better.