From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 24 18:19:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A42106566B for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 18:19:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phcoder@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f54.google.com (mail-ww0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19C108FC1D for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 18:19:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb28 with SMTP id 28so547495wwb.13 for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 11:19:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type; bh=97bLS3jBnAmTiqxnyuj/waKGSjT9r2GTix6NYyOjnHY=; b=ZvNI9F4yH8r8tYWg4fgYXG/ymwG/CgeIH1OHrSzjhbAe+vEvsNG3W30VXVet5riI3Z d7T+r0cGm47Kb4gj2Ix1WMF64hGS0qrh0uFwozI3BiqJ5ZO4UAKgORq4DKOSwWG/PBGK Fx2AgYQrnqXk9G4cxerWGdF5patIc36A298/o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type; b=sC+OG3ft7FM0YRBD8Swovd1Ni+BKrIzZ0Z+Cb8hi+9Ticd+XeTu0h4P5Jdtx+Inl3E F92cbQfp4RYHZWDJsZQ38yDMwNmPYNjXb1DYwRxWUXlvPAU49LqeeW4iq760SyBbTrt4 wRGPuk7s6Wz1ntYQUCDw0YxivzBMOcW/iILfY= Received: by 10.227.144.129 with SMTP id z1mr5943158wbu.3.1274725176862; Mon, 24 May 2010 11:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from debian.bg45.phnet (gprs35.swisscom-mobile.ch [193.247.250.35]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm2067558ewy.6.2010.05.24.11.19.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 24 May 2010 11:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BFAC322.7070905@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 20:19:14 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?VmxhZGltaXIgJ8+GLWNvZGVyL3BoY29kZXInIFNlcmJpbmVua28=?= User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20091109) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Reilly References: <4BE98FB5.3060906@gmail.com> <20100514020055.GB89230@duncan.reilly.home> In-Reply-To: <20100514020055.GB89230@duncan.reilly.home> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig16950A601F86A9AC63F78510" Cc: The development of GRUB 2 , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC] Multiboot2 drafting X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 18:19:38 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig16950A601F86A9AC63F78510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andrew Reilly wrote: > Hi there, > > I know next to nothing about GRUB, and have not yet read the > multiboot spec, but I wonder if you could comment on how or > whether this is related to either the Open Firmware Device Tree > or the Flattened Device Tree used in various embedded OS ports. > It would be cool if there were some convergence going on... > > =20 I've looked into it and found good and bad things. Good: -represents the info needed to OS. It's something definitely good and goes in direction we need Bad: -it basically has all the history ballast of OpenFirmware. OFW is supposed to be system-independent but in fact there is a multitude of implementation with various degrees of compatibility. Same goes for device trees. The same information is present in different places with lots of special cases. Many of fields are actually useless variant select= ors -it uses string identifiers instead of magic numbers. This makes it more difficult to parse -the most useful information is coming at the leaves and interpretation depends on whole path. It lacks aspects of complete boot protocol. I think it needs some cleanup. I would be interested in converging simplified and cleaned up version of device tree into multiboot2 > Cheers, > > =20 --=20 Regards Vladimir '=CF=86-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko --------------enig16950A601F86A9AC63F78510 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iF4EAREKAAYFAkv6wy0ACgkQNak7dOguQgl+zgD9Hm5Z7Bm5qmcpi2MmHE1njJ4A sI+D0/Ge2LHy2xDzC6EBAJF3yvAiYiR/ub9mpb5qEhQ8Ne/fScMGdRJ/QBD8nWA/ =TjLM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig16950A601F86A9AC63F78510--