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Date:      Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:49:05 -0500 (CDT)
From:      John Kenagy <jktheowl@bga.com>
To:        Frank Pawlak <fpawlak@execpc.com>
Cc:        jjones@unixg.ubc.ca, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: NT and FreeBSD
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.95q.980415124409.21937A-100000@barnowl>
In-Reply-To: <199804151718.MAA02142@darkstar.connect.com>

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One of my machines started with NT on all of it but still using the
FAT file system. I was able to use fips but had to defrag and then
move a huge and protected block that sat in the middle of the area 
I wanted for FBSD.

I think you need partition magic. I've not used it, but from what
I understand fips can't help you.

John

On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Frank Pawlak wrote:

> On 15 Apr, jjones@unixg.ubc.ca wrote:
> > Frank --
> >  
> >> Sorry to come into this discussion late.  Are you using parititon
> >> magic, or am I connecting this thread with something else?
> >  
> > You weren't what I'd call late (-:  I am not using Partition Magic,
> > which seems to leave two choices: fips, or NT as that system is being
> > installed.  Somebody else was skeptical about fips.
> 
> Using fips would make me nervous also.  Once NT has the whole disk the
> only reliable way to repartition on the fly is partition magic.  With
> fips you run the risk of losing parts of NT.
> 
> Probably the least desirable method is a re-install.  Wish I had better
> news.  Partition Magic is pretty cheap and if you want to use both NT
> and FreeBSD it may well be worth the price.
> Frank
> 
> 
> > 
> >> Does NT now occupy the whole drive?
> > 
> > Yes.
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > **********************************************************************
> > 
> >> Frank
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 14 Apr, Studded wrote:
> >> > jjones@unixg.ubc.ca wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> I am coming from a background of using unix but not installing
> >> >> software.
> >> >> 
> >> >> I have read and reread:
> >> >> 
> >> >> chapters 2-5 of Complete FreeBSD 2nd ed
> >> >> the website tutorial on multiple OS
> >> >> FAQ 8.7 on NT loader
> >> >> archives from the questions list
> >> > 
> >> > 	These are good things to read. :)
> >> > 
> >> >> *Except* for the FAQ, there are warnings everywhere about the
> >> >> cylinder 1024 limit.  This warning seems tied to an assumption that
> >> >> BIOS and DOS/Windows95 are involved.  So,
> >> > 
> >> > 	Those warnings are slightly misleading, since the dependance on DOS is
> >> > related to the way that freebsd creates slices. The slices are created
> >> > in such a way as to be compatible with DOS partitions, so some of the
> >> > same limitations exist. 
> >> >  
> >> >> If I want NT 4 as my only other OS, can I follow the FAQ and use the
> >> >> NT loader to boot FreeBSD, with FreeBSD loacted in the third GB of a
> >> >> 3 GB IDE hard disk, and NT occupying the first two GB?
> >> > 
> >> > 	The answer to this is a moving target. I recommend doing a minimal
> >> > installation first and see if it works. 
> >> >  
> >> >> A few more questions:
> >> >> 
> >> >> Can the NT file system be NTFS before FreeBSD is installed, or does
> >> >> it have to be FAT?
> >> > 
> >> > 	Doesn't matter, the freebsd install will delete the slice/partition and
> >> > create it anew.
> >> >  
> >> >> Will fips work OK with either file system?
> >> > 
> >> > 	I would be highly skeptical about using fips with partitions that large
> >> > and/or ntfs partitions/slices. 
> >> >  
> >> >> Is there any preference between fips or partitioning as NT loads?
> >> > 
> >> > 	I'm not sure what you're referring to here.
> >> >  
> >> >> Is the preparation with defrag (Norton utilities for NT, since I
> >> >> don't have DOS ...) and partitioning likely to put NT into a snit?
> >> > 
> >> > 	I have never run NT so I can't help you here, sorry.
> >> > 
> >> > Good luck,
> >> > 
> >> > Doug
> >> > 
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -----------------------------
> >> 
> >> "At no time is freedom of speech more precious then when a man hits his
> >> thumb with a hammer."
> >> 	
> >> 		-- Marshall Lumsden
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 	
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