From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 23:53:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9923B106566C for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 23:53:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fritz-bounce@frell.theremailer.net) Received: from frell.theremailer.net (unknown [IPv6:2002:d527:d23c:9:846c:3e7f:f601:33a5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09D78FC0C for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 23:53:56 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=frell.theremailer.net; s=remailer; h=Date:Message-ID:Subject:Comments:From; bh=GkgknF77W/fDDHWQshl7ZIHKJVJX+Uji0K8WO6bUvwc=; b=AvCIJZ88ppsKb0QSMaoCNw8g5739CrTEvSwh8aNhUmL4KjA+TllpUbKRSEhVFc7grtWW/AGOs59XieRUKf0hHo0XIGnQZ5euhOl4vx8+m59YWmxA6+WjDrex6B7TZTve2/8IMSbmQWBbP7PXkvQsiwHMKOdhbgIWrPZ7mwcFTAUIlSmpY7wb4rDPouCkcN3Pon+NN6l8THtKX0FjoYpcFNfJLIlEKqdN9/IiVOjZ0ul+I0GGJbo+392Q0QWrXZ6pCUZp3L70bB9dU34fVxPXazv97VgT2SPnOqIe0h3dOxmYhv1dp/CQ6raZ1GiBCraBrVJm7c2ZxXzDXeWJKPomT64=; Received: by frell.theremailer.net with local (Exim) id 1Saxyx-0002ul-7L for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org envelope-sender fritz-bounce@frell.theremailer.net; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 01:43:43 +0200 From: Fritz Wuehler Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above. It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software. Please report problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator at . Identifying the real sender is technically impossible. To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20120602052228.GA6624@lonesome.com> Message-ID: Precedence: anon Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 01:43:43 +0200 Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 23:53:57 -0000 You wrote: > On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 05:20:39PM +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote: > > Maybe FreeBSD should consider migrating to pkgsrc? > > I'm not arguing that your other points are invalid (in particular, > I agree that the xorg change was really painful, and for a long time > amd64 lagged i386 badly), but there is one very major blocker for this > particular idea. If you browse the following URL: > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/PackageSystemsComparison > > You'll see that pkgsrc is around 12k packages. Although our graph > is stale, per the portsmon/FreshPorts URLs, we're approaching 24k > ports. > > So: while it's been suggested before, it's not really workable. I am not in a position to know, but it seems to me the number of ports at some point isn't that big of a deal vs. how well the ports build, and on how many architectures they're available. First, is it possible to automate the conversion of ports to pkgsrc? If not, how much of it could be automated? How many of those 24,000 ports are actively maintained and build correctly? If they're all active and work then yeah I think everyone would agree it would take a lot of convincing to get those maintainers to switch to another system, but does anyone know how many of those guys aren't *already* maintaining pkgsrc packages for the same app? Often one maintainer does packaging for multiple BSD and/or Linux distros. So there could be lots of overlap and just looking at the two numbers you posted doesn't really tell the whole story.