From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 28 23:08:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7103A79 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 23:08:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-x22b.google.com (mail-qg0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EAF76B2 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 23:08:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id f51so1423316qge.30 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:08:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=MRAxFpAKZrgNB6SfjtE8ZGfYeohxt9d8LVMU8XHD3x8=; b=C17gBRI3J2gjvSAAwT+kuEquSdp9Za1XbGsSuq0imUXG3ycWUZZwOxKn5ksDDO/wu8 F9+wYvlRuEulMsoaVmRam7kiuFMxn8aLCZCVV2/OEQo3Ajy8EQwe39Rhv/rwXuZJi4fs Ec4boq4CzxKtQIJX9xmBl6FMutZ9JDguapaIY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=MRAxFpAKZrgNB6SfjtE8ZGfYeohxt9d8LVMU8XHD3x8=; b=c/aTcv2RkMRbdjbkmtLckDyUIG/WmqRkDv334TY5c5zdmWwp5xFiN2uzQB0Htow6JG V/kDh//h4fLpCuVZkBi3lA3IRw12MWtXmc1oWh0/YMWlUV24+XZd+97UIHQo2M4xfAnp ga0HOPmPfLt0YBVGeN9Djsuv0BNsRUevsWj2cyXwmuBSPcBRaUdI+jAMamGoJIdi7WeB g7UZgfE6mUyUF/6HN2AVUc+v9D8Tngtt5DAQLdannYV8PcE33/R6CM8S4GIIcWB9spRp 3g1utdSEACZmGbqQH8QtisJkRe9VCQ+BVm4ygCVqOwqzW3nPXduJMMODLFH3oOCS6WXQ GRhg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkmj9tB14I19xceXF3+DgkADCBy/pKGVeelkityaDWVKYn0IwWikFo4Fg74nrbmxuD8VpR6 X-Received: by 10.224.130.71 with SMTP id r7mr9942597qas.69.1414537682143; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:08:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.96.92.200 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:07:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20141028221413.GF26796@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> References: <20141025204536.GD19066@dft-labs.eu> <201410281321.31986.jhb@freebsd.org> <20141028213526.Horde.WmTRslgo-hNbim44HjeQAA6@webmail.df.eu> <20141028221413.GF26796@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> From: Eitan Adler Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:07:31 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: junior kernel tasks To: Baptiste Daroussin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Mateusz Guzik , "bugmeister@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Hackers , freebsd-current Current , Marcus von Appen X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 23:08:03 -0000 On 28 October 2014 15:14, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 09:35:26PM +0100, Marcus von Appen wrote: >> >> Quoting John Baldwin : >> >> > On Saturday, October 25, 2014 4:45:36 pm Mateusz Guzik wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> In short, nice kernel tasks people with C language skills can do in few >> >> evenings. >> >> >> >> https://wiki.freebsd.org/JuniorJobs >> >> >> >> It is assumed you know how to obtain sources and build the kernel. >> >> >> >> What you can get in return: >> >> - your own code in FreeBSD tree >> >> - eternal glory [1] >> >> - fun [2] >> >> >> >> If you are not interested, but know someone who does, please pass it >> >> down. >> >> >> >> [1] - not really, no >> >> [2] - well, I guess that's subjective, so that's not a "no" >> > >> > Even though our bugmeisters have decided that we should not have wishlist >> > items in our bug tracker, I really wish we could store the various idea lists >> > (we have several) in an issue tracker instead. This would allow for folks to >> > comment on ideas, vote for them, etc. It would also make it easier for more >> > people to submit new ideas. >> > >> >> Speaking not strictly with the bugmeister hat, but from experience, please do >> not let us go down the road of (ab)using a bug tracking solution as task and >> idea management system. I think that using the tasks feature of phabricator >> (our reviews instance) would provide better workflow support for those things, >> starting out from sketching out rough ideas, discussing them, breaking them up >> in seperate tasks (linked to and dependent on each other) and collaborating >> on them (take a look at https://developer.blender.org/T42339 for a >> brief example). >> >> Having said this, let's keep the bug tracker a bug tracker. >> >> Cheers >> Marcus >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > I disabled the tasks on phabricator to avoid having it a duplicate of bugzilla, > but if we have a use for it I can activate it! > > Actually I do like the idea of the bug tracker aka bugzilla being only for bugs > and uxe phabricator for tracking the tasks having disparate trackers for "wishlist" and "bugs" is quite harmful and splits the conversations. It makes people learn multiple systems and search multiple places - especially if the feature ends up being submitted as a patch to the bug tracker. I'd rather keep wishlist items in the bug tracker than split them into two. (also, fwiw, I'd rather keep the tasks number space clean should we ever decide to import from bugzilla -> phabricator) -- Eitan Adler