From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Oct 30 3:11:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA6337B401 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 03:11:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from nic.upatras.gr (nic.upatras.gr [150.140.129.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 376AE43E3B for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 03:11:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (qmail 13328 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2002 11:04:39 -0000 Received: from upnet-dialinpool-82.upnet.gr (HELO gray.sea.gr) (root@150.140.128.172) by nic.upatras.gr with SMTP; 30 Oct 2002 11:04:39 -0000 Received: from gray.sea.gr (gray [127.0.0.1]) by gray.sea.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9UBCA9f044794; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:12:10 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by gray.sea.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9UBAmx2043639; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:10:48 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: gray.sea.gr: keramida set sender to keramida@freebsd.org using -f Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:10:47 +0200 (EET) From: Giorgos Keramidas X-X-Sender: keramida@gray To: dslb@tiscali.dk Cc: Michael Joyner , Subject: Re: Getting some daemons out of the base system In-Reply-To: <3D9BF56A00005F55@cpfe1.be.tisc.dk> Message-ID: <20021030130625.N40834-100000@gray> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2002-10-27 01:40, dslb@tiscali.dk wrote: > >-- Original Message -- > >Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:31:06 -0400 > >From: Michael Joyner > > >If we were to say move to a more modular styled base system, we > >shouldn't have to REMOVE the daemons, simply have them either easy > >to [x] check or [ ] uncheck as part of the installation process. Or > >have a custom base installation option. Or minimial base > >installation (ie no ISDN tools) . > > Well as long as I can chose NOT to install sendmail, I'll be happy. > But I don't see the difference between having sendmail removed and > having to select it. We select all the ports we want, why not just > make sendmail another port (like qmail)? Because a UNIX operating system is not complete without an MTA. Even parts of the base system (like the periodic scripts) depend on the presence of a mail transfer agent that can at least do local deliveries. Recently, Gregory Shapiro (the maintainer of sendmail in the base system of FreeBSD) has made it very easy to replace sendmail with an alternative MTA in the installed system. The installer, sysinstall, allows making changes to rc.conf even before the system installation is finished, and disabling sendmail there can be done in a breeze. IMHO, instead of discussing this again and again, which has already hit the archives a lot of times, the best thing to do is to implement some idea, and then present it to freebsd-arch for a review. Giorgos. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message