From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 1 20:06:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49352106564A; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 20:06:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB5928FC12; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 20:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhfs35 with SMTP id s35so9061041yhf.13 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:06:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Is6cPwt7vJ/s0rgBzxY7fLBUAGUg4QECfF2MJHD5oZQ=; b=I9ce32TIWABSLm6xmlb3bxnBGcYvJAEbO5yGSjCOo2Or50HekqfMatOg08Xoyg0aV3 b4rQi8zJdOEH/upydQDWqpa2ubMR8eJAj+UK50RcERxYZwxLqUiY1jFc9x+Ir9ZSr52D VVFtB6/Sh5Pg2HQl65HQDqEz5Iv3M0JokWgcelS4vg3gg2fSyIcj1EQY5eM+pUcY9R7B 5bxIv2m6Zj5orbgbZSscRCt3x8yUq4Kxg12JA6q/zlTpBTp5IJgsi9CPq5lniqhqkzfj hZMsnuUHDzz6Abbr0Cp3UgXsNvNnmAIPi4vhxoR1vhZ7PkVw/5nKaG/NfRByPO63A2rn oRmQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.241.35 with SMTP id wf3mr54296461pbc.102.1343851595611; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.68.66.136 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:06:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:06:35 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: NTpezFgf4Vm_WCq6Jy4M026hHYU Message-ID: From: Adrian Chadd To: Arnaud Lacombe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: attilio@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Hackers , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 20:06:37 -0000 Any interested party is very welcome to approach a developer and get added to the developer summits. Plenty of the people at the most recent developer summit weren't @freebsd.org committers - we had plenty of representation from companies using FreeBSD. If you want to participate, just ask a friendly developer who is going to the developer summit to sponsor you in going. You're pleasant in person, so I'd have no problem sponsoring you if I am going to an event. :) And/or, work with warner to get improvements into the tree and someone will sponsor a commit bit for you. Perhaps we as developers should more openly publish the results of developer summits. But as I said, they're not "closed" - they're just "invite only for non-developers." We're not going to exclude anyone from coming unless they really ARE going to just sit there and troll. You're motivated, you're enthusiastic and you want to see things change for the better. You're also not confrontational in person. I have no problem with you coming along. Adrian