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Subject: Re: No keyboard after ports update, 2x moused_enable="YES" culprit
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On Mon, 16 May 2011, Daniel Staal wrote:

> --As of May 16, 2011 10:00:38 AM +0200, Polytropon is alleged to have said:
>
>> On Sun, 15 May 2011 12:18:28 -0700, Chip Camden
>> <sterling@camdensoftware.com> wrote:
>>> I wish I could figure
>>> out what dependency wanted HAL to be installed so I could remove it.
>> 
>> I would assume that the HAL dependency may be required by
>> some deeper-inside Gnome part that is used by Gimp, maybe
>> a part of the Gtk+ library... I'm not sure it's trivial to
>> find out which one it is.
>
> --As for the rest, it is mine.
>
> Sure it is:
>
> cd /usr/ports/sysutils/hal
> make deinstall
>
> It will list what ports require it.  ;)

pkg_info -R hal\* will show the same list without actually deinstalling 
it.

But some or most of those don't directly depend on hal, they depend on 
something else that depends on hal.  It would be nice to easily find the 
root few.  xorg-server can be set to not use hal.  Then rebuild the 
keyboard, mouse, and video drivers.

One problem with getting rid of hal entirely is libgnomeui, which 
depends on gvfs, which depends on gnome-mount, which depends on hal.