From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 27 03:40:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA5B61065672 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:40:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0CA38FC1A for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:40:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: (qmail 4930 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2008 03:39:59 -0000 Received: from mxperim2.sea5.speakeasy.net ([69.17.117.67]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 27 Mar 2008 03:39:59 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mxperim2.sea5.speakeasy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE015156AFE for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:39:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mxperim2.sea5.speakeasy.net Received: from mxperim2.sea5.speakeasy.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mxperim2.sea5.speakeasy.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cSVgf3n66y-7 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from w16.stradamotorsports.com (dsl081-163-042.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.163.42]) by mxperim2.sea5.speakeasy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47EB1717.6060208@highperformance.net> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:40:07 -0700 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4pre (X11/20080205) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <252055.77706.qm@web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080326183554.3f5f43b1.skeptikos@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Newbie Question - about newbie user support X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:40:01 -0000 KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, christopher wrote: > >>> Where would be the right place to go looking to >>> subscribe to a newbie level user-support list? >>> Perhaps rephrased 'complete newbie user support list' >>> ... LOL > > I just felt like chiming in. It has seemed to me that > freebsd-hacker is a nice intermediate list. Less volume, > and wtf does 'hacker' mean? in other words, it seems open > to wide variety of questionings. I have been running freeBSD > for only a few years myself, and I still need to muster > up more courage for kernel builds and cvsup, but I am feeling > that I am making progress. To tell the truth, I wouldn't > mind someone else chiming in on their understanding about > what "freebsd-hacker" is for. There are descriptions of the purposes of all the lists posted in a couple places. http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers A few quotes for your convenience: Re -hackers This is a forum for technical discussions related to FreeBSD. This is the primary technical mailing list. It is for individuals actively working on FreeBSD, to bring up problems or discuss alternative solutions. Individuals interested in following the technical discussion are also welcome. General lists: The following are general lists which anyone is free (and encouraged) to join: Technical lists: The following lists are for technical discussion. You should read the charter for each list carefully before joining or sending mail to one as there are firm guidelines for their use and content. So -hackers really isn't a place for newbies. Newbies should subscribe to -questions. This was the first list I subscribed to back in the day. A hacker is person who writes code in the context of this discussion. (The first person to quote the jargon file earns minus one pedantic.) Building the world isn't that hard really. FreeBSD has done a great job making it mostly a fire and forget operation. As long as you stay in the shallow end it's easy. It's when you start tinkering with your makefiles and your sources that it gets fun. Later, Jason