From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Wed Jan 9 15:28:34 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A5E1483301 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2019 15:28:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qt1-x82c.google.com (mail-qt1-x82c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::82c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E5308BC28 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2019 15:28:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qt1-x82c.google.com with SMTP id t33so8702857qtt.4 for ; Wed, 09 Jan 2019 07:28:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=E0wI+6kV0ps+RqAzJlB4E9SffF3H/trooR7ro4Eqbo4=; b=vtqFwtF4dcKfGRHftAGTiZw+DuC14Gmax7Cmcz2c+bhGCdcVYAJ+j9t6esexbEbH6o i1jYu8O5PiL+ithcCpvYLJv6wGpsuHaR5vW9e8cGcx3wGPsqsUUQdE4bLxLD7p2jWSiU BDYWecyprCJA1aTsPQtXOgS52R28TNomt32Uwi41yr12z6d6eDajtR4Y+JGKWDdEPMbS ZIbwCRUet+A8flycP+QMbM1jfDMVm17Sl2eWyFgAU1tgsQ4C3adQQWg74lVnmhKEE55E 5JBV8oO6jGs1HQpdOA4ehYj1cJRV1ELi/TCLKZx9gKAfF1cvvXYiHYRxhSGZ5vwqlsf0 FqaQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=E0wI+6kV0ps+RqAzJlB4E9SffF3H/trooR7ro4Eqbo4=; b=IYfFFC/DHIf87hIqRvHsAPcFCIuKjqQWzZOpzGFOCdOGocDPz4PFvkimHV47/Nejg7 +FA9Yp+Rp3Q76MFO5wnPQUf798ffVckxA/CFOHl+jaUNztncIGc4d7IHS8MM9EcjP8vI Gce/zj+GSnj2i11gAXzXJ4N6hM8Kj80LHrSKkA+cNQ916Bjyoxm/YKg/LsyX4QmntZMt d2JlQa2PkFjC9W6UVvH0cjryimYZoPHwcfNdF2Jxuq5ZkMSsCj14XcVvlbpp0PaoYQNE anoJ85ZSIBxLUvakWe7unZ9ixXptKw30S+D41rkzDddt2v5oxftaWo4ogHyRUdGg/5Ny g9Mg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukeqgIAYk6o1A7GzQrEbLdPeFH1K0gYakbu7z+OwXD52zX/Ci6gv 9RRUXvgw2NeuuE7fcWXKPU1mo6S45t2PLGvFKYWYS2hw X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN64Bb6tNuxb8M8qeYMFyeM1OSlArw+VxTD47jiuQ8o9xcGC4Y2B0VZghIjwAyuGpgr0z9pPOtGsPqX/nU5AAGw= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:548a:: with SMTP id h10mr6188316qtq.15.1547047712265; Wed, 09 Jan 2019 07:28:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1e025f53-fc5e-5b1e-013d-ab9330a0e9db@freebsd.org> <753bc6bf-9269-1ca2-550c-cb7622812a01@freebsd.org> <7c5da163-e12d-2de0-761e-22436fb28b86@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <7c5da163-e12d-2de0-761e-22436fb28b86@freebsd.org> From: Warner Losh Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 08:28:21 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: GNU-compatible, BSD-licensed bc To: Stefan Esser Cc: "Conrad E. Meyer" , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 1E5308BC28 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=vtqFwtF4 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.49 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-arch@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdimp.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: ALT1.aspmx.l.google.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[c.2.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.82)[-0.819,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; IP_SCORE(-2.66)[ip: (-9.26), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.26), asn: 15169(-1.71), country: US(-0.08)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2019 15:28:34 -0000 On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 5:33 AM Stefan Esser wrote: > Am 08.01.19 um 22:35 schrieb Conrad Meyer: > > Hi Stefan, > > > > Apologies, I misunderstood the idea. > > > > However, it seems like any port that depends on gnubc today could > continue > > to depend on gnubc on older branches until a suitable replacement > > propagates into stable. (And that would be less work :-).) > > Yes, but the work has already been done ;-) > > I've been exchanging private mails with Gavin and he has worked > on his "bc", e.g. to make the included tests run on FreeBSD out > of the box (they used to require GNU bc). > > A few small issues have been fixed and he is looking into another > one (^D handling). Working on the port (and tests performed with > its preliminary version) has already improved the quality of the > code that is about to be imported into base ... > > If users actually try running with Gavin's bc (as a port) before > it makes it into a release, there is a good chance that any > unexpected incompatibilitiy (e.g., if it is compatible with GNU > bc, but behaves differently from our current bc in base) is found > in time. > > So, I intend to proceed with an import as a port, independently > of the import into base, which I appreciate, too. > We've had several BSDL'd things that started life as a port. I think this is a great strategy: make it available TODAY as a port (since the barrier to entry is small), if it pans out, integrate into base. Warner